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What happened to the price of oil? It declined. There were no drastic price increases in 2008. There was a great downturn in economic output, followed by a slow recovery.
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US emissions of CO2 were lower in 2013 than they were in 2007.
Overview of Greenhouse Gases | US EPA
You are promulgating ignorance, not fighting it. It would be far better if you check your cites before you made assertions (and furthermore take care to link to sources that did not consistently misrepresent the science). We can discuss worldwide emissions (I assume China’s went up, along with their output over the period.) But first we have to operate in an environment of fact and observation.
I mean the alternative is just blather. Right?
At any rate, given the failure of the Soviet Union during the 20th century, methinks those who deny the effectiveness of the price mechanism face a pretty heavy lift.
Not in this forum. Those who consistently make errors of fact beg to have their motivations questioned. I haven’t studied your posts in detail. But in the parlance of cognitive psychology, I’m perceiving a fair amount of motivated reasoning on your part.
Look, I agree that curbing carbon is a very heavy lift politically: it’s hard in the US to even pass a 5 cent gas tax to fund highway construction. And like I said the coal industry would be screwed. In other words, not all of the evidence aligns in the same direction. The latter can occur with respect to physical processes, but it is rarer in human history. For that you have to weigh evidence.
Analysts weigh evidence. PR men pretend it all points in the same direction. Ideologues can’t tell the difference.
GIGO: you have some experience dealing with the denialist community. It’s true that most of your efforts have been directed towards a handful of posters (which I suppose might be the 80-20 rule in action). But I suspect you’ve at least brushed shoulders with a wider spectrum of this group from time to time. Perhaps you have some insight that could advance the emerging science of science communication. It might even be worth your while to take Cook’s MOOC for credit. (Or not.) It’s 1-2 hours per week for 7 weeks.
One issue that puzzles me is the role of humor and mockery. Daniel Kahneman once said that, “Facts that threaten people’s livelihood and self-esteem are simply not absorbed. The mind does not digest them.” (I read that on twitter so I don’t know the wider context). Yet I perceive here that mockery can move the ball. And Barney Frank reports that humor can be used to political advantage. I’m guessing that the best strategy is a mixed one, but until I understand the underlying processes I won’t know when to use one or the other.