It’s OK. Ají de Gallina seems to know nothing about climate science, and seems oblivious to the influence of the energy industry lobby on public opinion, but he’s declared himself the winner and undisputed champion of every debate he’s ever been involved in, so it’s all good.
I’m sure that GIGO can speak for himself, but I just wanted to ask whether you thought that this might have any impact at all on electric car sales?
Tell you what, since it was your source, using your citation post the year the sales were down, from 2011 to 2014, not much can be say for the current year until it is over, unless you want to use past 3 months, as pointed before you did talk about **all **the plug-ins, and your pitiful way out was to move the goal post to the Volts.
Again, as per your cite, sales for all electricals are up when one compares it what happened in the first 3 months of 2014.
It’s really surprising that you’re this unable to think through the flaws in your objection. I assume it must ideology distracting you, since it’s not complex or difficult to understand.
People alone can’t modify climate change. It takes systemic action. If you think Al Gore taking a flight on a jet aircraft is proof that climate change isn’t real, you’re just unable to assess the issue with any level of objectivity. He’s not advocating getting rid of jets. He’s advocating systemic change that will bring down our overall carbon production.
Your position is nonsense. And holding it up as a win is baffling.
Well, since you’ve established that you imagine yourself as superior to actual experts in this field (without actually going though the trouble of being an expert), I don’t see the utility of arguing issues with you, since you choose to ignore the actual experts at your whim.
That said, your response it unfocused. Are you saying that nothing Gore can do personally would lower the amount of carbon we, as a race emit, or nothing humanity could do? Because the former is obvious. The latter is gibberish.
No President/leader/person can reduce fossil fuel use, not by passing laws, imposing fines, sanctions or even sending the military in to force the issue. It’s not possible.
Even if reduction of the US consumption was achieved, which certainly is possible, it happened already twice, it won’t reduce the global amounts at all. In fact, if the US stopped all carbon fuel use, it wouldn’t stop the CO2 levels from rising.
So nothing a President says will reduce fossil fuel use. Globally, or even locally. The solution has to be economic and technical, both of which are resisted like crazy.
Of course the solution is economical and technical. Both of which can be manipulated by humans. This is awesome, you make a broad proclamation, and then in the next sentence admit you’re wrong.
Oh well, to me the mention of Gore is like a Godwin, it really shows that the opposition has no good ideas to counter the arguments and evidence.
It is also once again showing how contradictory contrarians are, at the same time they declare that Gore is making a killing in Green Energy, they claim that he is doing nothing. In the past there were many in the metal pipe industry that benefited when cities got clean water and sewage, the big contradiction here is to deny that doing the right thing can have people that benefit too and in a world that is not against free enterprise this is welcomed news
It really seems that many contrarians really think that environmentalists that propose the needed changes are against industry or that the people in the left that follow this are just socialists or worse. Or when Gore is mentioned that he is doing nothing and the same time doing a lot for his benefit.
Yes, and developing countries have until 2030 to stop using Freon. Most countries agreed to stop by 2020. International agreement happened in 2007.
CFCs were reduce starting in 1989, but are still used of course. HFCs still haven’t replaced CFCs, more CFCs were released in 2010 than HFCs. (both are supposed to be captured, not released at all anymore)
It’s an illusion that somehow the CFCs and HFCs problem was solved. Is solved.
All those who posted claiming that the fix will be quick and easy are therefore rebuked, and rightly so. In compensation, I will give a dollar to each of them. I have two, should be more than enough.
Since you don’t understand my position it is complete logical that you find it nonsense.
Of course ONE SINGLE PERSON cannot fight AGW, no matter what they do.
However, if you tell me that AGW is the most important problem of humanity and you tell me that we all need to our part because if all of us get together we can do a lot to help AND THEN you buy 4 Hummers to take your kids to the park two blocks away it detracts from your moral position. It doesn’t of course, negate the scientific and/or aconomic merits of your position. It’s like those “family values” politicians that get caught with prostitutes. In itself it doesn’t affect family values or whether they matter or not, but you need a new face.
I haven’t mentioned Al Gore, but anyone who thinks “Al Gore taking a flight on a jet aircraft is proof that climate change isn’t real” is ignorant and stupid. The (in)validity of AGW does not in any way depend on the personal/mora/economic/polluting actions of anyone in the discussion (BTW if the owner of www.superclimatedenier-CO2rules.com buys solar panesl it doesn’t change the (in)validity of any point he makes)
And there are many new faces, but Al Gore is fat, so it always appears in many contrarian arguments. (Of course not even he bought 4 Hummers, he is investing in clean energy start-ups.)
Of course not, but what is missed is that even tea partiers think that the right wingers that oppose to them are bananas.
Of course the falling price of oil is affecting the purchase of electric cars. Nobody cares. New Mustangs start to look pretty good to people when they see politicians taking 2 humongous airplanes to the same destination.
As it was pointed many times before they are a niche market, and in a thread where several contrarians are demanding that elitist environmentalists do the right thing it remains a wrong argument to claim that “nobody cares”. Seems several are putting the money were their mouth is. And when the price of gas was the lowest your cite reports that in 2014 more EVs were sold than in 2013.
Gotta admit, taking a private jet somewhere is self-indulgent and difficult to justify, but taking another private jet for a spare, that’s just plain gross.
It’s not just that most wealthy people create way more carbon than everyone else, live in large houses, fly all over, live wonderful lives based on carbon fuels, while telling us it’s wrong, that it’s killing the earth. it’s so much more than that.
It’s that they don’t actually act like there is a problem.
