# Why not a "public works" bailout? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 8, 2008, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-a-public-works-bailout/471819 "2008-11-08T16:27:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-a-public-works-bailout/471819/1 "2008-11-08T16:27:10Z")
I’ve clearly shown my economic ignorance in the past. But I’m wondering why so much talk of responding to the current economic situation is aimed at bailing out financial institutions and the markets? It seems as tho dumping billions into the banks, just made them a tad happier - but they don’t seem overeager to share the largesse. If the gov’t is going to spend billions/trillions, wouldn’t it make sense for them to spend it on infrastructure? Seems to me it would provide tremendous and diverse benefits. For decades we have heard of how the nation’s bridges, roads, railroads, etc., are in dire need of rebuilding/replacement. If we focussed on putting money towards public works, it would employ people, give money to construction businesses, stimulate purchases of steel and other goods. And even if it didn’t resolve the economic problem, at the end we’d have someting tangible - better roads, etc. - instead of just happier bankers. Whaddya say? ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-a-public-works-bailout/471819/2 "2008-11-08T17:10:41Z")
Something like the WPA, you mean? I suspect we’ll see a push for infrastructure repair and improvements. Obama talked about it in the context of job creation. I hope so. Old bridges worry me. It’s almost a phobia. There’s one bridge that I cross almost every day, and every time I think “Should I open the car windows now so I can crawl out when it collapses?” Brick-faced walls on old buildings have fallen in my town, and two towns close by. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-a-public-works-bailout/471819/3 "2008-11-08T19:15:19Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Something like the WPA, you mean? Yeah. Maybe with the US playing the role of general contractor, financing projects and subcontracting out to private firms. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-a-public-works-bailout/471819/4 "2008-11-08T19:50:58Z")
And combine that with apprenticeship programs, maybe through community colleges and voc-tech classes in high schools. Anyone who’s tried to find a good plumber or electrician or furnace repairman knows how badly we need to beef up the skilled trades. ---
**Author:** ![vison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e47774/32.png) [@vison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vison)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-a-public-works-bailout/471819/5 "2008-11-08T19:55:04Z")
This is such a good notion that it is obviously doomed to go nowhere. ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-a-public-works-bailout/471819/6 "2008-11-08T20:58:19Z")
The Amercian Consulting Engineers Council says the new administration is a mixed bag: [QUOTE=ACEC’s The Last Word] ACEC anticipates that the administration of incoming President Barack Obama, combined with expanded Democratic majorities in the House and Senate, will give new momentum to ACEC efforts to boost transportation and water infrastructure funding in 2009. At the same time, a resurgent labor agenda—including curbs on contracting out, legislation designed to pressure employees to unionize, and costly health care and tax code changes—could pose threats to the industry. [/QUOTE] There is a move underway to push forward on a new economic recovery and job creation package. The American Society of Civil Engineers recently testified before the House Ways and Means Committee and the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee on that. ASCE is calling for up to $40.7 billion in infrastructure aid. The cost to repair/replace our nation’s infrastructure is staggering: > [@](#): > > ASCE estimates that $1.6 trillion is needed over a five-year period to bring the nation’s infrastructure to a good condition. From [here](http://www.asce.org/reportcard/2005/index.cfm). ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-a-public-works-bailout/471819/7 "2008-11-08T21:15:35Z")
You mean something like [this?](http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081012/pl_nm/us_financial_usa_stimulus_1) > [@](#): > > The United States needs a new economic stimulus plan that pumps billions of dollars into infrastructure projects and budget relief for cash-strapped state and local governments, Democratic lawmakers said on Sunday. > > U.S. Rep. Barney Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, told ABC television he will put together an economic stimulus bill when Congress returns to Washington after the November 4 elections … the plan should “get into the guts of the economy” by boosting spending on infrastructure such as roads, sewer and water projects. > > Former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, who served under President Bill Clinton, told CNN that an infrastructure plan that could quickly pump money into the economy was the most important action that U.S. authorities could take to help deal with the current economic crisis. > > “I would put in place an infrastructure piece… bridges, water systems roads, highways, but not new projects that are going to take a long time to set up,” Rubin said. “There are a lot of existing projects where states and cities are having a hard time finding a lot of financing where you could funnel that money right into existing activities where you would be able to act very very quickly.” ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-a-public-works-bailout/471819/8 "2008-11-08T21:48:23Z")
> [@](#): > > ASCE estimates that $1.6 trillion is needed over a five-year period to bring the nation’s infrastructure to a good condition. Shit, you mean almost as much as we could piss down a hole in the desert somewhere? Or just slightly more than we could drop on some gambling banks? Man, if the new admin actually pushes for something this sensible, I might get all misty… ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-a-public-works-bailout/471819/9 "2008-11-08T22:42:48Z")
**DSeid** , I think that is the same plan that the ASCE went to the House to talk about. The testimony of David Mongan, ASCE President, is [here](http://www.asce.org/files/pdf/pressroom/ASCE%20Statement-FINAL.pdf). The testimony of Andrew Herrmann is [here](http://www.asce.org/files/pdf/pressroom/ASCE%20Testimony%20TI%20Hearing%2010-29-2008.pdf). I agree, **Dinsdale** , I’d much rather be spending money on this than pissing “down a hole in the desert somewhere”.