# Why not encourage people to move from Gaza to the West Bank, Egypt, etc **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [October 8, 2023, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-encourage-people-to-move-from-gaza-to-the-west-bank-egypt-etc/991296 "2023-10-08T23:03:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-encourage-people-to-move-from-gaza-to-the-west-bank-egypt-etc/991296/21 "2023-10-11T12:47:58Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I don’t think the Israelis in charge of this mess view refugee camps as off limits for bombs. Hamas does not view refugee camps as off limits for operating out of, either. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-encourage-people-to-move-from-gaza-to-the-west-bank-egypt-etc/991296/22 "2023-10-11T15:25:56Z")
And that’s why civilians on both sides die in droves in those territories. ---
**Author:** ![Dorjan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dorjan/32/12440_2.png) [@Dorjan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dorjan)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-encourage-people-to-move-from-gaza-to-the-west-bank-egypt-etc/991296/23 "2023-10-11T15:46:36Z")
They might call them refugee camps, but all of those sites are in Gaza City proper. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-encourage-people-to-move-from-gaza-to-the-west-bank-egypt-etc/991296/24 "2023-10-11T16:15:18Z")
And how is that relevant? We’ve got “migrant centers” in Chicago. Are the people in them less migrants because they’re within the Chicago city limits? Are you going to just shrug your shoulders and say those people don’t matter because of where they happen to stand? You do know that people can not freely leave Gaza, right? Jabaila is within Gaza city, but there are other refugee camps in the Gaza strip which are NOT within those city limits, as well as other cities within Gaza as a whole. ---
**Author:** ![Dorjan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dorjan/32/12440_2.png) [@Dorjan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dorjan)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-encourage-people-to-move-from-gaza-to-the-west-bank-egypt-etc/991296/25 "2023-10-11T16:50:29Z")
Comparing it to a migrant center in Chicago is false equivalence. Jabalia may technically be refugee camp, but today it is essentially a neighborhood of Gaza City. It is also a Hamas stronghold and so of course it is going to be a target. If the residents cannot freely leave, it is because Hamas is preventing them from leaving, because Hamas doesn’t really give a shit about the people they are supposed to represent and have no qualms about using them as human shields. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-encourage-people-to-move-from-gaza-to-the-west-bank-egypt-etc/991296/26 "2023-10-11T17:01:09Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Something Israel could do right now is build a refugee camp next to Gaza and let civilians shelter there during the campaign against Hamas. At least women and children, if it’s too difficult to vet young men. Give those who want to avoid the bombing somewhere to go. By “next to Gaza” you mean in Israel? I think it’s kind of ridiculous to suggest that _this_ is the time when Israel should be devoting massive resources on trying to filter terrorists from innocent civilians _at the border_. When the border is barely even secure, and with any “mistakes” roaming around on the Israel side? If anything like this is workable external to Gaza, it surely could only be in Egypt, or some kind of complete evacuation of children to somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-encourage-people-to-move-from-gaza-to-the-west-bank-egypt-etc/991296/27 "2023-10-11T17:05:16Z")
Israel could designate safe zones within Gaza, if they could get enough military in there to vet the people entering those safe zones… ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-encourage-people-to-move-from-gaza-to-the-west-bank-egypt-etc/991296/28 "2023-10-11T17:05:58Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Israel could designate safe zones within Gaza Israel always tries to do this. **Hamas** could designate safe zones (or respect the existing ones) and then **not** enter them and use their own civilians as human shields for terrorist attacks. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-encourage-people-to-move-from-gaza-to-the-west-bank-egypt-etc/991296/29 "2023-10-11T17:06:47Z")
This. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-encourage-people-to-move-from-gaza-to-the-west-bank-egypt-etc/991296/30 "2023-10-11T17:07:29Z")
This is why Israel would need to get enough military on the ground to police that. 😢 ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-encourage-people-to-move-from-gaza-to-the-west-bank-egypt-etc/991296/31 "2023-10-11T18:36:02Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > If anything like this is workable external to Gaza, it surely could only be in Egypt Yeah. How about Egypt does something about this? They didn’t start this particular battle, no. But they’ve certainly helped bottle up Gaza. And countries neigboring war zones elsewhere in the world often wind up taking in refugees. > [@puzzlegal](#): > > Israel could designate safe zones within Gaza, if they could get enough military in there to vet the people entering those safe zones… I’m afraid you might need not just military, but also mindreaders. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-encourage-people-to-move-from-gaza-to-the-west-bank-egypt-etc/991296/32 "2023-10-11T19:03:52Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Yeah. How about Egypt does something about this? > > They didn’t start this particular battle, no. But they’ve certainly helped bottle up Gaza. And countries neigboring war zones elsewhere in the world often wind up taking in refugees. Agreed. But these countries most definitely Do Not Want Palestinians in their countries. I do wonder what would happen if Israel offered to let any and all civilians from Gaza go to Egypt as soon as possible, and helped facilitate this. Just move 2 million people into Egypt over the next year, and let them deal with them. Then go through Gaza and remove all trace of Hamas soldiers and weaponry in a methodical manner. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-encourage-people-to-move-from-gaza-to-the-west-bank-egypt-etc/991296/33 "2023-10-11T19:06:21Z")
That is a great idea, but to the best of my knowledge Egypt has in the past refused to let people move there from Gaza. I don’t know if they want to keep Hamas out of Egypt, or they want Israel to have that thorn literally in their side. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-encourage-people-to-move-from-gaza-to-the-west-bank-egypt-etc/991296/34 "2023-10-11T19:09:22Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I don’t know if they want to keep Hamas out of Egypt, or they want Israel to have that thorn literally in their side. Both, in my estimation. But what if Israel opened up a corridor to Egypt out of “humanitarian ideals”? Would Egypt literally use force of arms to stop women, children, elderly and hospital patients from entering? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-encourage-people-to-move-from-gaza-to-the-west-bank-egypt-etc/991296/35 "2023-10-11T19:12:15Z")
I guess they would refuse, claiming that Hamas would infiltrate Egypt. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-encourage-people-to-move-from-gaza-to-the-west-bank-egypt-etc/991296/36 "2023-10-11T19:14:01Z")
You are likely correct - but what if Israel had plenty of press there, showing women with babies, elderly etc. Clamoring to get into Egypt. With Israeli staff giving them humanitarian aid. Not a great look for Egypt to refuse to give aid to people in need. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-encourage-people-to-move-from-gaza-to-the-west-bank-egypt-etc/991296/37 "2023-10-11T19:17:43Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I do wonder what would happen if Israel offered to let any and all civilians from Gaza go to Egypt as soon as possible, and helped facilitate this. How can Israel do this without Egypt’s cooperation? It’s Egypt who’s holding Egypt’s border. Are you suggesting that Israel remove Egypt’s border guards by force? > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I don’t know if they want to keep Hamas out of Egypt, or they want Israel to have that thorn literally in their side. My guess is also both. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Not a great look for Egypt to refuse to give aid to people in need. And yet they’ve been keeping that border closed all along; and nearly everybody yells at Israel for closing theirs, and carefully doesn’t mention Egypt’s. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-encourage-people-to-move-from-gaza-to-the-west-bank-egypt-etc/991296/38 "2023-10-11T19:19:32Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Are you suggesting that Israel remove Egypt’s border guards by force? No of course not. I’m suggesting they use the press to win the PR war. Not a good look for Egypt to be pointing guns at women and children, refusing to let them enter. Yes, they’d be correct (legally) in doing so… but it clarifies to the world that they do not want to help Palestinians in any way shape or form. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-encourage-people-to-move-from-gaza-to-the-west-bank-egypt-etc/991296/39 "2023-10-11T19:25:16Z")
Interesting from CNN a couple of hours ago: > Talks underway to allow US citizens and Palestinians to leave Gaza, Israeli official says: > Under the proposal being discussed, all US citizens would be permitted to pass through the Rafah border crossing if they present their US passports, while the movement of other Palestinian civilians would be limited to 2,000 people a day, the official with knowledge of the negotiations told CNN on Wednesday. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-encourage-people-to-move-from-gaza-to-the-west-bank-egypt-etc/991296/40 "2023-10-11T19:28:36Z")
I don’t suppose that includes kidnapped Americans. I found a single paragraph on CNN. Have you a better link? Thanks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-encourage-people-to-move-from-gaza-to-the-west-bank-egypt-etc/991296.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-not-encourage-people-to-move-from-gaza-to-the-west-bank-egypt-etc/991296.md?page=3)