This thread was lazy, I get it, but I was warned for the very thing that others were not. That much I showed. Miller and tom are not quiet in their dislike for me, so if rules are disproportionately applied to me, I call BS.
As far as debate (outside of this thread as I’ve already admitted I was pissed) goes, I’ve always thought I could hold my own. It was my opinion that debates should stand on the facts, not the debater. When a debater starts to seriously cross a line and make it personal, it’s fair to question their premise.
I came here because I thought SD was a cut above the rest. (Yeah, I was one of the lurker types.) Perhaps I am actually quite bad at this, and if my dissenting or concurring opinions are taking up bandwith and offer nothing, I’d happily leave.
I stand corrected. So it was Dio that a free pass on ignoring mod rules and Yog who got a free pass for breaking the insult rule and boy was fine to say things about me that were insulting and not true and scoff at my ‘stupid analogies’.
I got called a name and responded with, ‘jerk’. I get a formal warning. Other poster does not.
I say that anyone who invalidates another religion and tries to change it is a sanctimonious asshole. Warned. But I thought i was within the rules. According to tom, I was. According to Marley, I am not.
That was brought to ATMB and it was observed that the rules were not applied fairly. I then realized what was likely to happen in the future.
3 & 4 were yesterday’s infractions re: responding to Dio’s assaults plus my observation that I can’t break the rules by observing another person’s breaking of the rules. Nor can I respond to people trying to smear me.
draw & quarter the dissenter, why don’t you.
The other poster called you Newt! And they weren’t warned? Alert the mods! Wake up Ed Zotti! THIS INJUSTICE SHALL NOT STAND!
Pro tip: If you’re going to be disingenuous in your summary of events, you should at least refrain from posting a link that proves you utterly, unequivocally wrong.
The problem here is that you keep breaking the rules. Just don’t.
If you never cross the bright line, you won’t get called out on the little stuff and you’ll be more able to convince the mods that other posters need to be reigned in.
But if you keep ignorning the rules and acting the way you do, no one’s really going to help you out on the borderline stuff. Just my 2 cents.
Diogenes is just doing his act. When he is wrong, he simply repeats himself, over and over. If you prove him wrong, he repeats himself again. Yes, it’s annoying and jerkish; yes, he ought to be Warned for it. He won’t be.
YogSogoth’s post was a surrender - learn to interpret those when they happen. He had no new arguments, so he just repeated himself along with an argument ad hominem knowing that most of the board would back his opinion up.
Some posters will never admit they’re wrong, never back down, and never recognize that any argument they don’t like has any validity. Their standard response when you point is out is ‘no u’. And no, they will not catch flak for it.
This is how these boards are moderated. It is not going to change. There is going to be a different standard for those who hold the “correct” opinions. Get used to it, or get ready to be banned.
It is what it is - overall, this is a very good board, but a lot of the knees jerk pretty automatically here.
You got called “Newt” because you were trying to claim you were being misrepresented with an actual quote of yours - just like Newt Gingrich did a few weeks ago. That’s not being called a name. Calling someone “jerk” is. There is a distinction, and you’re going to have to learn it.
That’s a sticky one, and you’re right. Tom is more likely to call you out on that, especially if you’ve run up a string of warnings (and 2400 posts) in just a few months. We are tough on newbies around here, but you’re going to keep getting warnings (actually, you’re just going to get banned) if you don’t slow down and figure out what you’re doing wrong.
Regarding Dio’s last polygamy post - read the last line. He clearly says he missed the mod note to stop the hijack, apologized, and stopped posting about polygamy. His post was not long after the mod note - that’s common around here, and that gets a pass most of the time. You can argue that it’s bullshit, but it happens. You responding to that post won’t, because not only did you have ample time to see the mod note, but the post you were referring to had a reference to it in it - so you don’t have an excuse. If you NEED to respond to it, then start a new thread, open with a response to it, and link to your new thread instead. (Also, what Shodan said - getting tangled up with Dio has its own set of Bizarro rules. He can toe the line better than anyone, and get people to stumble over it. The repercussions of that are going to be much harder on a newbie.)
CP, just stop worrying about what other people are getting away with and just monitor your own behavior. Just don’t get personal with people, regardless of what they say. And just stop with the “he did it too” arguments. Provocation is not a valid excuse here. Nobody’s looking for an excuse to ban you. It’s entirely in your hands what happens.
As others have pointed out, the following are not “defenses” to a moderator note or warning:
a. Someone else started it.
b. Other people were doing it too.
c. The moderator who issued the note or warning doesn’t like me.
In each case, we’ll look at what you did and decide whether or not you complied with the rules.
This is actually what my first mod note was about. I could see the polygamy discussion was about to go down that hole (note Diogenes the Cynic’s comment about maturity), and I didn’t want it to overwhelm the rest of the thread.
CitizenPained, we can ban posters for breaking the rules, but we usually don’t rush into that. When it’s needed, we use warnings to try to get people to follow with the rules and stop breaking them. I realize that we sometimes slice things pretty fine in terms of comments on a person’s argument (which are generally OK) and comments about the person (which are not). That said, I’ve told you before I think you’re smart enough to understand how we do things here. Don’t insult other people personally, and if think someone else is insulting you, report it and don’t respond in kind. And if you think the mods get the situation wrong, ask them about the difference rather than ignoring them.
Beyond that there’s not much else to tell. You were advised upthread to consider how your post might sound to someone else and I think that’s good advice, particularly in regard to that “Can I call you a liar” post.
You would do well to focus more on your own behavior and not on that of other people. You can’t change how they post; but you can change how you post. You do need to realize that you have broken the rules; and if you don’t stop breaking the rules you will be suspended and banned. Stop trying to figure out just how insulting you can be without drawing a warning; and just stop insulting people. Seriously, that’s all you have to know
You want to make yourself out to be a martyr, but you’re not. We permit nearly anything in terms of viewpoint here, as long as people obey the rules. You’re just someone who hasn’t figured out how to post within the rules, that’s all.
Really, if they were just out to get you, they could have banned or suspended you already. You’ve racked up a lot of warnings in a short period of time. That usually leads to at least a suspension. If anything, they’ve given you a break. Don’t make the mods that voted/argued in your favor regret doing so.
Yeah, yeah, all the others are receiving free passes to despicable behaviour while you are held to impossibly high standards. I wonder where I read that exact same argument…Oh yeah, in every f Israel thread you cared to join (which means any Israel thread, or any thread where Israel can be shoehorned in).
Quit the schtick.
Woah, you sure like to report people a lot. Never ever crossed my mind to report anyone since I got here. Must be a question of personality.
This isn’t the Pit, so these kinds of comments don’t belong in this thread. (And the stuff about Israel doesn’t belong here either.) ATMB is for discussion of the rules. And since the mods can’t be anywhere, reporting posts is an important part of what makes this site what it is. You don’t have to report posts, but refusing to do it isn’t a mark of superiority.
A poster that complains about Mods’ constant heavy handedness against her while reporting others by the dozens is clearly displaying a very skewed vision of reality, at least for the benefit of this board.
I hope this thread gives CitizenPained a better idea of how the rules work here, but your implication that she is a tattle-tale is still not appropriate for this forum. Let’s move on.
I considering being called Newt insulting. Especially if the person is calling me a liar. I was being misrepresented, as the title was rather misleading and failed to give context. I expanded on that, but to no avail. The OP itself was hostile. Damn.
Re: DIO: But he kept posting on polygamy. That’s what bothered me.