# Why Obama Will Probably Lose **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 28, 2012, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-obama-will-probably-lose/623352 "2012-05-28T15:50:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2012, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-obama-will-probably-lose/623352/101 "2012-05-30T08:51:06Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Beginning at 1:32 in the video the woman clarifies that the plan is to keep gay men behind one electrified fence, and gay women behind another so that “they can’t reproduce.” In other words, the goal is to ensure homosexuals do not have heterosexual sex. :dubious: I actually laughed out loud when I first saw this on CNN. Do these idiots really think they need an electric fence to keep me from reproducing with women . . . who don’t want to reproduce with me either? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2012, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-obama-will-probably-lose/623352/102 "2012-05-30T14:56:52Z")
> [@Condescending\_Robot](#): > > No. The reality is that when a Republican in a swing state campaigns on any of the other so-called Republican issues—tax cuts, abortion, spending reform, defense–he usually polls behind, but as soon as he starts waving the straight supremacy flag, people who didn’t give a flying fuck about any of the other stuff suddenly wriggle out from under the stove to put him over the top. That is support for my proposition that Republicans only care about that one thing. 1. You are now changing the claim you made. 2. You still haven’t supported either claim. If the Republican is down in the polls then says something anti -gay and the polls reverse, that does not support the claim that all Republicans or the average Republican supports the anti -gay rhetoric. At most it supports that some people need some anti -gay rhetoric to move them from undecided to Republican. ---
**Author:** ![dngnb8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@dngnb8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dngnb8)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2012, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-obama-will-probably-lose/623352/103 "2012-05-30T15:27:30Z")
Personally, I believe Obama will be re-elected. His office was ripe for the picking and all the Republicans could muster was Mitt. /fail ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2012, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-obama-will-probably-lose/623352/104 "2012-05-30T15:32:18Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > …some people need some anti -gay rhetoric to move them from undecided to Republican. So you’re telling us it’s not only factual, but makes you \*happy, \*that your party indulges in condemnation of fellow citizens for being who they are, as long as you calculate that it increases their net vote total? And you nevertheless deny being a partisan hack? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2012, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-obama-will-probably-lose/623352/105 "2012-05-30T21:02:43Z")
That’s just too stupid to respond to. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2012, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-obama-will-probably-lose/623352/106 "2012-05-30T22:02:32Z")
You certainly would if you could think of something, kid. You’re not fooling anybody but yourself, you know. ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2012, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-obama-will-probably-lose/623352/107 "2012-05-30T22:26:34Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Lev 20:13 (ASV): “And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” Ah, I was looking at Leviticus 18:22, hence my not knowing what you were talking about. The verses are so similar (other than the death penalty part) that I didn’t even realize there were two of them.:smack: > [@](#): > > And you’re right, working on the Sabbath is also a capital crime, so everybody who washes his car or mows his lawn on Sunday (or Saturday, depending on your denomination) should be stoned. And yet, you never hear the preachers calling for that. So how can you say they aren’t being inconsistent? That’s fair. I thought your point was more “people who say they’re Christian but _don’t_ have a problem with gays are kidding themselves, because the Bible says X, Y, and Z”. Whereas I’d say it’s no more of a stretch to discount those Bible passages than a lot of the other ones that basically all Christians discount or view as not really applicable to modern society. If your point is that the rabidly anti-gay Christians are also arbitrarily picking and choosing what to believe, I can’t dispute that. If anything, I’d say that the people who say “The core message of the Bible is to treat people with love and compassion” and then basically ignore anything that doesn’t gel with that are _more_ consistent in their interpretation, in the sense that they aren’t arbitrarily picking-and-choosing verses according to their personal prejudices but doing it according to a governing principle. Of course whether the core message of the Bible really _is_ to treat people with love and compassion is a whole other debate. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-obama-will-probably-lose/623352/108 "2012-05-31T03:07:02Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > That’s just too stupid to respond to. Do you support antigay rhetoric if it gets Republican votes? Why or why not? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-obama-will-probably-lose/623352/109 "2012-05-31T03:53:58Z")
And then there’s the [Disciple whom Jesus loved.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beloved_Disciple) Now this is **Jesus,** right? He loves **everybody** including his enemies, right? Why single out one guy for special mention of love unless there was something . . . **special** about their relationship? 😉 (Don’t look at me like that, Mary Magdalene! It’s not like you didn’t know!) ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-obama-will-probably-lose/623352/110 "2012-05-31T04:00:22Z")
Biblical threesome…? ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-obama-will-probably-lose/623352/111 "2012-05-31T04:04:20Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > And then there’s the [Disciple whom Jesus loved.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beloved_Disciple) Now this is **Jesus,** right? He loves **everybody** including his enemies, right? Why single out one guy for special mention of love unless there was something . . . **special** about their relationship? 😉 (Don’t look at me like that, Mary Magdalene! It’s not like you didn’t know!) Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-obama-will-probably-lose/623352/112 "2012-05-31T04:22:43Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Biblical threesome…? **Bi** blical, that is. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2012, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-obama-will-probably-lose/623352/113 "2012-06-07T18:45:34Z")
> [@baronsabato](#): > > I should also add that when it comes to how we read the whole of scripture, we take the teachings of Jesus most seriously (which makes sense, since we’re, you know, Christians). In that regard, the Great Commandment is probably the best way for us to read the rest of the Bible: love God, love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus had, after all, a history of putting people over religious laws, and if there are people who are hurting and being oppressed, then Christians have an obligation to stand up for them, regardless of what a few verses in the Bible might say. Why? WHY can’t your sort be the more vocal? Is it akin to “those who desire most to lead others are often the least fit to do so?” ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-obama-will-probably-lose/623352/114 "2012-06-25T10:38:48Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > I don’t understand. Just curious **Happy Lendervedder** do you go to church? How do you interpret the bible? Do you believe homosexuality is a sin? If not, why? Isn’t God pretty clear on it being a sin? If you think about it God didn’t declare anything a sin, everything about God was determined by another human being. There is nothing ever written,taught, said, or thought that wasn’t of human origin, so one is taking the word of another human,not God! ---
**Author:** ![Bamboo\_Boy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/839c29/32.png) [@Bamboo\_Boy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bamboo_Boy)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-obama-will-probably-lose/623352/115 "2012-07-12T22:29:43Z")
Quote: Originally Posted by Rand Rover Please demonstrate how I am a partisan hack. You can’t do it. Quote: Originally Posted by Rand Rover 2. I don’t really care why people vote for Republicans as long as they do. > [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Done and done. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-obama-will-probably-lose/623352/116 "2012-07-12T22:54:18Z")
I’m glad you got that out. It’s apparently been building for like two months. ---
**Author:** ![Bamboo\_Boy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/839c29/32.png) [@Bamboo\_Boy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bamboo_Boy)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-obama-will-probably-lose/623352/117 "2012-07-12T23:15:34Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I’m glad you got that out. It’s apparently been building for like two months. Catharsis. Also, I just read this today. I didn’t respond earlier because I hadn’t read this thread then. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-obama-will-probably-lose/623352/118 "2012-07-12T23:33:12Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > Quote: > Originally Posted by septimus > Beginning at 1:32 in the video the woman clarifies that the plan is to keep gay men behind one electrified fence, and gay women behind another so that “they can’t reproduce.” In other words, the goal is to ensure homosexuals do not have heterosexual sex. > > I actually laughed out loud when I first saw this on CNN. Do these idiots really think they need an electric fence to keep me from reproducing with women . . . who don’t want to reproduce with me either? It would seem this person is also admitting that homosexuality has a genetic cause. But don’t evangelicals usually say it’s a life choice, not ingrained. Of course, she is impervious to logic . . . . ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-obama-will-probably-lose/623352/119 "2012-07-12T23:44:09Z")
> [@Bamboo\_Boy](#): > > Quote: > Originally Posted by Rand Rover > Please demonstrate how I am a partisan hack. You can’t do it. > > Quote: > Originally Posted by Rand Rover > 2. I don’t really care why people vote for Republicans as long as they do. > > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Not really. A partisan hack is someone who will never criticize his own party. Usually, it also means he will never say anything good about the other party, and constantly tries to paint that party in the worst light possible. Given two possible explanations for something, he will accept, uncritically, the “good” one when it comes to his own party and the “bad” one when it comes to the other party. But just wishing that people will vote for your party, no matter the reason? No, that’s not what a hack is. It’s a necessary but not a sufficient reason. Do you think any of the party affiliated folks on this MB would discourage anyone from voting for his favored party? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-obama-will-probably-lose/623352/120 "2012-07-12T23:44:23Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > … she is impervious to logic . . . . Her head is so impervious that . . . well, lets just say that if there is a zombie apocalypse, we’re all fucked! CMC fnord! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-obama-will-probably-lose/623352.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-obama-will-probably-lose/623352.md?page=7)