# Why Pelosi? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 15, 2009, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-pelosi/496484 "2009-05-15T02:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-pelosi/496484/81 "2009-05-20T03:41:48Z")
> [@ArchiveGuy](#): > > [Things don’t seem all that clearcut in the He Said/She Said](http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/torture/cia-wont-say-whether-panetta-disputes-pelosi-claim-she-was-lied-to/): But Panetta’s memo says: “our contemporaneous records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing ‘the enhanced techniques that had been employed.’” I don’t see the ambiguity that that blogger is arguing for. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-pelosi/496484/82 "2009-05-21T02:58:36Z")
Boehner, May 14, 2009: [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xEyipxIAZRI/hqdefault.jpg "Boehner: "Hard for Me to Imagine" CIA Would Mislead Congress") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEyipxIAZRI) > [@](#): > > It’s hard for me to imagine that anyone in our intelligence area would ever mislead a member of congress. They come to the hill to brief us because they’re required to, under the law and I don’t know what motivation they would have to mislead anyone. And I don’t believe – and don’t feel – that in the briefings that I’ve had that I’ve been misled at any one point in time." Boehner, May 20, 2009 > [@](#): > > ``` > BOEHNER: Pete Hoekstra did say that. And the Inspector General at the CIA did an investigation and it became clear that some CIA operatives did in fact cover this up. This is not, we’re talking about two different issues here. All the facts in this case are on the table and the truth is now known to all, to everyone. > > BLITZER: So, based on what you know on that case involving Hoekstra, the case he was interested in. Do you agree that the CIA then lied to Congress? > > BOEHNER: I know as much about this case as Pete Hoekstra does and the Inspector General did in fact do an investigation, produced a report and frankly supported, I think, Pete’s claims. > > ``` ![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/zYoGi4i8jck/maxresdefault.jpg)https://www.youtube.com/embed/zYoGi4i8jck?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque So we have an example of CIA lying in hand from just the last year. An example that minority leader Boehner acknowledges he is aware of. This makes Boehner’s stated inability to imagine a CIA officer lying to congress unbelievable. Boehner has an example in hand. He doesn’t need to ‘imagine’ it. The minority leader would have to have a **negative** imagination in order to find lying CIA officers unimaginable. No one has a **negative** imagination. Boehner is lying. Pelosi _might_ be telling the truth. Let’s have an investigation, and kick the liar(s) out of congress. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-pelosi/496484/83 "2009-05-21T03:54:11Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > …and kick the liar(s) out of congress. Technical question, legal/Constitutional arcana: Can a bill pass the House of Representatives on a vote of 11 to 3? ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-pelosi/496484/84 "2009-05-21T04:17:13Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > a vote of 11 to 3? I never had you pinned as an optimist! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-pelosi/496484.md?page=4)