# Why prr was warned for junior modding. **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [February 6, 2011, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-prr-was-warned-for-junior-modding/570437 "2011-02-06T21:02:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2011, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-prr-was-warned-for-junior-modding/570437/1 "2011-02-06T21:02:04Z")
Split off from this thread: [some way to mark Zombie threads? - About This Message Board - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=595929) [gfactor] > [@some way to mark Zombie threads?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-way-to-mark-zombie-threads/570253/46): > > This is junior modding. An experienced poster like you should know better. Therefore, I’m issuing you an official warning. > > Moreover, what \*\*Bucketybuck \*\*has done there is not threadshitting. I’ll deal with his post separately. > > We’ve said announcing you’ve reported a post is ok when it is a spam post. Doing it in other circumstances is junior modding and possibly trolling. I’m not issuing you a warning, for this, but please cut it out. > > **Gfactor** > ATMB Moderator Let me get this straight: “Junior Modding” is a warnable offense, even when you’ve found the thing I was supposedly “junior modding” objectionable enough to warn the person to stay on topic? And you’re NOT warning me for noting that I reported the person, which might be “junior modding,” which you’ve just warned me against doing? Have I got that right? Or is the problem that I accused him of “threadshitting” (which is distinguishable from “going off-topic” in an obnoxious and personal way–how?) ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2011, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-prr-was-warned-for-junior-modding/570437/2 "2011-02-06T21:17:45Z")
Or would you rather I open a separate ATMB thread about the warning? Or do this by e-mail? Whatever works for you, **Gfactor**. I don’t know as much about the rules here as you think I do, and this is something of a judgment call. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2011, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-prr-was-warned-for-junior-modding/570437/3 "2011-02-06T21:25:16Z")
I think that an experienced poster like you should be given a warning for not providing a link. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2011, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-prr-was-warned-for-junior-modding/570437/4 "2011-02-06T21:25:56Z")
Split off from this thread: [some way to mark Zombie threads? - About This Message Board - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=595929) > [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > Let me get this straight: “Junior Modding” is a warnable offense > [@](#): > > even when you’ve found the thing I was supposedly “junior modding” objectionable enough to warn the person to stay on topic? 1. Yes. Two wrongs don’t make a right. 2. I didn’t warn him. > [@](#): > > And you’re NOT warning me for noting that I reported the person, which might be “junior modding,” which you’ve just warned me against doing? If you’d like, I’d be happy to issue you a warning for that, but I don’t think that’s as clear a violation, and we haven’t addressed the issue frequently, so I’m willing to merely point out that you shouldn’t do it. If you’d like a warning, please let me know. > [@](#): > > Have I got that right? Please see my comments above. > [@](#): > > Or is the problem that I accused him of “threadshitting” (which is distinguishable from “going off-topic” in an obnoxious and personal way–how?) No. It’s that you were junior modding. I’m splitting this off into its own thread for you. I don’t think it has anything to do with the OP of the thread in which you posted it. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2011, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-prr-was-warned-for-junior-modding/570437/5 "2011-02-06T21:29:34Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > Or would you rather I open a separate ATMB thread about the warning? Or do this by e-mail? Whatever works for you, **Gfactor**. I don’t know as much about the rules here as you think I do, and this is something of a judgment call. I took care of it for you. No worries. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2011, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-prr-was-warned-for-junior-modding/570437/6 "2011-02-06T22:25:28Z")
Could you show me where “junior modding” is noted as a warnable offense? I just re-read the Registration Agreement quickly, and specifically the part about “troublesome users,” which I assume would cover such miscreants, and didn’t find anything relevant: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/faq.php?faq=vb3\_board\_usage#faq\_vb3\_troublesome\_users](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/faq.php?faq=vb3_board_usage#faq_vb3_troublesome_users) Of course, if I’m just getting my chops busted over calling the Mods work-resistant Maynard G. Krebs-like lifeforms, I’ll understand. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2011, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-prr-was-warned-for-junior-modding/570437/7 "2011-02-06T22:27:29Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > I think that an experienced poster like you should be given a warning for not providing a link. You’re kidding me, right? Having me on? I posted this in the ATMB thread linked to, but then \*\*Gfactor \*\*moved the post to its own thread. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2011, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-prr-was-warned-for-junior-modding/570437/8 "2011-02-06T22:38:35Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > Could you show me where “junior modding” is noted as a warnable offense? [From here:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6241129&postcount=1) [QUOTE=C K Dexter Haven] Junior Modding – When someone who is not a moderator tries to dictate how another poster should act. Thus, usurping the role of moderator when not entitled to do so. (At one end of the practice, this is just seen as annoying and arrogant on the part of person playing “junior mod”; at the other end of the practice, this is a rules violation and warnable offense.) [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2011, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-prr-was-warned-for-junior-modding/570437/9 "2011-02-06T22:54:26Z")
I don’t have any technical objection to the warning but I’m just surprised is all. In my mind giving a warning for Junior Modding is sort of like giving a ticket for going two miles over the speed limit. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2011, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-prr-was-warned-for-junior-modding/570437/10 "2011-02-06T22:55:54Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > Could you show me where “junior modding” is noted as a warnable offense? We’ve issued warnings for junior modding for as long as I’ve been a moderator. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12021190&postcount=229](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12021190&postcount=229) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11542935&postcount=352](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11542935&postcount=352) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10991143&highlight=warning+junior+modding#post10991143](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10991143&highlight=warning+junior+modding#post10991143) ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2011, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-prr-was-warned-for-junior-modding/570437/11 "2011-02-06T23:11:09Z")
pseudotriton ruber ruber, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons: Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else’s post, access administrative features or some other privileged system? If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation. ---
**Author:** ![srzss05](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/898d66/32.png) [@srzss05](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/srzss05)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2011, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-prr-was-warned-for-junior-modding/570437/12 "2011-02-06T23:13:14Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > You’re kidding me, right? Having me on? I posted this in the ATMB thread linked to, but then \*\*Gfactor \*\*moved the post to its own thread. Last edited by Gfactor; Today at 03:28 PM. Today 03:25 PM Exapno Mapcase I think it is obvious he posted that before he knew it was moved. You sure seem to have a chip on your shoulder. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2011, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-prr-was-warned-for-junior-modding/570437/13 "2011-02-06T23:13:43Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > pseudotriton ruber ruber, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons: > > Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else’s post, access administrative features or some other privileged system? > If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation. The first and third links work for me. [QUOTE=prr] You’re kidding me, right? Having me on? [/QUOTE] Yep, he was kidding. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2011, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-prr-was-warned-for-junior-modding/570437/14 "2011-02-06T23:15:40Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > pseudotriton ruber ruber, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons: > > Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else’s post, access administrative features or some other privileged system? > If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation. Two of the links appear to work as is. I think I’ve fixed the middle one. Let me know if you’re still having problems viewing it. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2011, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-prr-was-warned-for-junior-modding/570437/15 "2011-02-06T23:28:12Z")
Okay. Still seems pretty damned arbitrary to me. You will agree that most of the time someone junior mods around and nobody cares, or if a Mod notices, they’ll just go “That’s junior modding, pal, so watch it” in a friendly way. Seems like most of the ones you cited were “I have a gigantic hard-on for you, don’t like the way you’re peddling your goods, and I can make an arguable case that you’ve done a little junior modding, so I’m going to issue a warning.” Like the fellow said, it’s like a speeding ticket for going two mph over the limit. You can give me another because of the belligerence of my tone here, if you like. BTW, I didn’t mean to imply that you have a gigantic hard-on in general, or even one for me–that was just a general statement about a poster who’s annoying but hasn’t broken a real rule. You can always find something if you try hard enough. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2011, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-prr-was-warned-for-junior-modding/570437/16 "2011-02-06T23:33:51Z")
Speaking as one who is often critical of the moderation around here, I find \*\*GFactor \*\*to be exceedingly even tempered, fair, and tolerant. It takes a bit to ruffle his feathers. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-prr-was-warned-for-junior-modding/570437/17 "2011-02-07T01:53:19Z")
Just to make it formal, when I posted I saw only post #1 and nothing else. So I made a sarcastic comment. Some humor is timeless, some is merely timely. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-prr-was-warned-for-junior-modding/570437/18 "2011-02-07T02:15:05Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > Speaking as one who is often critical of the moderation around here, I find \*\*GFactor \*\*to be exceedingly even tempered, fair, and tolerant. It takes a bit to ruffle his feathers. I think **Gfactor** ’s easily the best, fairest, most unrufflable Mod around–but I think he made a mountain out of just about nothing here. People accuse each other of threadshitting all the time, and nothing is made of it, except those few instances that \*\*Gfactor \*\*linked to, and in most of those, a mountain was made out of nothing, too. It’s ridiculous to issues warningse for “junior modding” simply for suggesting someone else is threadshitting, especially when they acknowledge that the person was, in fact, derailing the thread in order to obuse someone and to declare the point to be a stupid one. If that’s not threadshitting, it’s close enough for jazz. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-prr-was-warned-for-junior-modding/570437/19 "2011-02-10T18:59:09Z")
The same glossary that Gfactor linked to for the definition of junior modding also has a definition of threadshitting. > [@](#): > > Threadshitting – basically, shitting on a discussion, by belittling the topic or the people discussing it. It typically takes the form of a dismissive comment, like “Who cares?” or “This is stupid!” or similar. The implication of the threadshitter is that discussion of such a topic is beneath them, and should be beneath everybody else. If you really do think that a discussion is inane or pointless, the appropriate thing to do is to not participate in it. That’s a hell of a lot clearer than the definition of junior modding, which gives the impression that if you thought a poster was breaking a board or forum rule, you’d be guilty of junior modding if you were to quote the rule. But what do I know - there’s a warning in my user CP where I have literally no idea of what I was warned for. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-prr-was-warned-for-junior-modding/570437/20 "2011-02-10T19:14:35Z")
The thing is, if I had to warn prr, it would be for the comment after the supposed “junior moderating.” That can be construed as being a personal attack, or at least being jerkish. But I’ve seen both people saying they’ve reported a thread to the mods (when it wasn’t spam) and people accusing people of threadshitting. (Heck, I’ve done it, as I’ve seen other people do it.) I’m almost certain that prr was warned for being jerkish towards the mods (and not even in ATMB as a response to warning, where it seems a little bit more tolerated.) This is something I’ve seen Gfactor do before: Carol Stream was banned for trolling IN THE PIT. Now, we know the real reason she was banned was because she was a jerk and possibly a troll. But Gfactor picked one of the clearer rules instead. The problem with this one is that the part that was actually junior modding is, as I pointed out, things I’ve seen around here all the time. And, no, it’s not just because a mod hadn’t seen it, as often the person accused of threadshitting gets a mod note/Warning.