# Why so many lies about Trump?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-so-many-lies-about-trump/740145
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [December 11, 2015, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-so-many-lies-about-trump/740145 "2015-12-11T03:46:40Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2015, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-so-many-lies-about-trump/740145/121 "2015-12-16T06:07:44Z")
> [@tullsterx](#):
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> You are a liar because Trump is obviously not a piece of shit, and you know that in fact Trump is a man and not a piece of shit. You obviously consider calling someone a piece of shit as as act of “acceptable political hyperbole” when, in fact, it is a lie. Substantiated.
No, not substantiated. If English isn’t your primary language, I’d imagine that metaphors exist in whatever language you speak as a primary tongue. So you should understand this.
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### Author:  [@Vaevictis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vaevictis)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2015, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-so-many-lies-about-trump/740145/122 "2015-12-16T06:34:41Z")
> [@adaher](#):
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> I don’t know, accusing the rich of being the reason we’re poor and basically stealing from us isn’t exactly mild language.
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> It also happens to be a lie.
You said this in response to my saying:
\*\*\* quote start\*\*\* No we will say that Sanders encourages us to hate rich people and CEOs when he claims that they are sending rapists, murderers and terrorists to harm us. _ **quote end** _
You want me to think that saying the rich steal is no less mild than what Trump says about Mexicans and Muslims?
Give me a break. Stealing is as you put it, _not exactly mild language_? Put it in the context of Trump^s accusation. If a bunch of Mexicans or Muslims rape people, murder people, or for that matter attack our nation through terrorist means, don’t you think that if they only got nailed for stealing they would have gotten off pretty mildly? Imputing that someone advocates theft is mild language when the discussion is about rape, murder and terrorist acts. We can debate whether Sanders advocates stealing (I think it is obvious he does not) but what we were discussing is the way you think that accusations of rape, murder and terrorism are somehow in the same ballpark as your idea that Sanders advocates theft (WTFuck?). Even if people grant your idea that Sanders advocates that the elite .1% are thieves, that is not even close to claiming that large groups of people have come to the US to rape, murder and terrorize us. Give up the special pleading, it is better to have a grown up reality based discussion.
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### Author:  [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2015, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-so-many-lies-about-trump/740145/123 "2015-12-16T07:10:27Z")
> [@tullsterx](#):
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> You are a liar because Trump is obviously not a piece of shit, and you know that in fact Trump is a man and not a piece of shit. You obviously consider calling someone a piece of shit as as act of “acceptable political hyperbole” when, in fact, it is a lie. Substantiated.
Do not call other posters liars or accuse them of lying in the Elections forum.
([Rule inherited](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=751506) [from the Great Debates forum.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=448632))
**ETA:** I now see that you had already received a Warning for that behavior, so my Note is being upgraded to a Warning.
Do not call other posters “liar.” Continued abuse of that (or any) rule will result in a loss of posting privileges.
[/Moderating]
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### Author:  [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2015, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-so-many-lies-about-trump/740145/124 "2015-12-16T17:55:55Z")
> [@tullsterx](#):
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> You are a liar because Trump is obviously not a piece of shit, and you know that in fact Trump is a man and not a piece of shit. You obviously consider calling someone a piece of shit as as act of “acceptable political hyperbole” when, in fact, it is a lie. Substantiated.
You seem to be unclear on the concept of “metaphor”. Here is a standard (Wiki) definition:
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> A metaphor is a figure of speech that identifies something as being the same as some unrelated thing for rhetorical effect, thus highlighting the similarities between the two.
So, nobody is saying that Mr. Trump is an _actual_ real-life ambulatory chunk of fecal matter. They are using a common figure of speech (metaphor) to highlight the complete shityiness of Mr. Trumps pronouncements and policy statements.
So the next time a friend says “wow, that goalie in the hockey game was a rock!” You should not call him a liar, because the goalie was not, in fact, composed entirely of granite and/or obsidian, and was really a living human being.
I hope this helps you in your future postings. Life is a journey. (no, not a literal journey. Work with me here)
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### Author:  [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2015, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-so-many-lies-about-trump/740145/125 "2015-12-16T19:02:38Z")
> [@adaher](#):
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> you can argue for stricter immigration enforcement without demonizing Mexicans.
Of course, you absolutely can. Is that what you think Trump was doing when he said “They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime, they’re rapists, and some I assume are good people”?
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### Author:  [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2015, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-so-many-lies-about-trump/740145/126 "2015-12-16T19:42:53Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
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> So, nobody is saying that Mr. Trump is an _actual_ real-life ambulatory chunk of fecal matter.
Alle fleshe is grasse, alle fleshe is shite.
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### Author:  [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2015, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-so-many-lies-about-trump/740145/127 "2015-12-16T19:45:18Z")
> [@tim314](#):
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> Of course, you absolutely can. Is that what you think Trump was doing when he said “They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime, they’re rapists, and some I assume are good people”?
No, he meant, "They’re bringing drugs and crime **therapists."** Which impresses me – not many people know that more than half of the undocumented Mexican immigrants in the U.S. are LCSWs. And boy, do we need 'em!
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### Author:  [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2015, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-so-many-lies-about-trump/740145/128 "2015-12-17T16:11:51Z")
I, for one, am pleased beyond words that my phrases “acceptable political hyperbole” and “ambulatory chunk of fecal matter” are now part of the fabric of this thread.
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### Author:  [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2015, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-so-many-lies-about-trump/740145/129 "2015-12-17T17:33:36Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
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> So, nobody is saying that Mr. Trump is an _actual_ real-life ambulatory chunk of fecal matter. They are using a common figure of speech (metaphor)
The same applies to me “a YouTube comment thread made flesh” description.
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### Author:  [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2015, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-so-many-lies-about-trump/740145/130 "2015-12-17T17:53:04Z")
> [@tullsterx](#):
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> I’ve had a lot of fun talking about this thread with intelligent people.
And the intelligent people in this thread have had a lot of fun talking to you.
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### Author:  [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2015, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-so-many-lies-about-trump/740145/131 "2015-12-17T17:55:30Z")
> [@tullsterx](#):
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> I would never lie about Hillary or Sanders, like you have lied about Trump. I do not think it is acceptable to knowing lie about anyone, like you have lied about Trump.
As I’ve pointed out, you lied about Sanders in the OP. You misquoted him in your complaint about how terrible it is to misquote people.
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### Author:  [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2015, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-so-many-lies-about-trump/740145/132 "2015-12-17T18:49:24Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#):
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> As I’ve pointed out, you lied about Sanders in the OP. You misquoted him in your complaint about how terrible it is to misquote people.
Note to the OP: Irony is not the opposite of wrinkly.
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### Author:  [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2015, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-so-many-lies-about-trump/740145/133 "2015-12-17T21:04:51Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#):
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> As I’ve pointed out, you lied about Sanders in the OP. You misquoted him in your complaint about how terrible it is to misquote people.
For heavens sake. Is this the ‘break the liar rule’ thread?
Warning issued. Please don’t do it again.
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### Author:  [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)
#### Post date: [December 18, 2015, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-so-many-lies-about-trump/740145/134 "2015-12-18T03:08:35Z")
You know, with three warnings…and the potential for more given everyone’s behavior I’m moving this to the Pit. You can be mean to each other to your heart’s content…subject to Miller’s patience.
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### Author:  [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)
#### Post date: [December 18, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-so-many-lies-about-trump/740145/135 "2015-12-18T16:10:02Z")
Everyone in this thread is lying about each others lying about each others lies. You’re all a bunch of filthy liars.
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### Author:  [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)
#### Post date: [December 18, 2015, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-so-many-lies-about-trump/740145/136 "2015-12-18T16:16:54Z")
WTF, this is the pit. What makes you think we want some stinkin’ Trump shit here?
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### Author:  [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)
#### Post date: [December 18, 2015, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-so-many-lies-about-trump/740145/137 "2015-12-18T18:32:57Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#):
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> Everyone in this thread is lying about each others lying about each others lies. You’re all a bunch of filthy liars.
Drunky Smurf is telling the truth.
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### Author:  [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)
#### Post date: [December 18, 2015, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-so-many-lies-about-trump/740145/138 "2015-12-18T19:04:43Z")
> [@tullsterx](#):
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> I’ve had a lot of fun talking about this thread with intelligent people.
Great! This is despite your OP, not because of it.
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### Author:  [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)
#### Post date: [December 18, 2015, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-so-many-lies-about-trump/740145/139 "2015-12-18T19:40:08Z")
> [@tullsterx](#):
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> I’ve had a lot of fun talking about this thread with intelligent people.
Your bafflement at Trump’s racist policies has me, in turn, baffled.
Let’s game this out: Trump has proposed policies that are generally viewed as bigoted. Instituting a religious test for coming to this country is, in my book, a blatantly bigoted position, and I would even go further and call his position racist.
Now, one could argue that even if he holds a bigoted position on an issue, it could be possible that he personally does not feel hatred for another creed. Personally, I don’t think it is true in this case, but I guess it is theoretically possible.
But in my book, to summarize “advocating bigoted policies” as meaning “telling us to hate people” is within the margin of error. Not strictly true, certainly not a total fabrication, but an exaggeration that ought to be understood as such.
And in my book, **adaher** , I don’t think it’s much of a stretch to say that Bernie Sanders hates the people on Wall Street. I’d say that is roughly similar to how normal people would summarize Trump’s bigoted policies – the difference of course is that one can simply leave Wall Street and stop playing carnival games with the American economy and be redeemed in Sanders’ eye; but if you’re one of the people that Trump does not want in this country, you have a much harder time becoming a white Christian in order to reform yourself in his eyes.
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### Author:  [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)
#### Post date: [December 18, 2015, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-so-many-lies-about-trump/740145/140 "2015-12-18T20:25:47Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#):
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> No, he meant, "They’re bringing drugs and crime **therapists."** Which impresses me – not many people know that more than half of the undocumented Mexican immigrants in the U.S. are LCSWs. And boy, do we need 'em!
So you’re saying that the penis really is mightier?
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