# Why the apathy over negitve things Hillary Clinton's done? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 22, 2016, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-apathy-over-negitve-things-hillary-clintons-done/763603 "2016-08-22T04:04:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-apathy-over-negitve-things-hillary-clintons-done/763603/81 "2016-08-22T18:45:45Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > If you assume 10% or so of the charges against her have some basis in reality, what then? I think part of the problem is that people assume that because she’s faced so many accusations she must have done something. But all her opponents have on her is a mountain of bullshit. They happily go digging into it, assuming there’s a gold nugget in there somewhere. But they never find the gold and they come out looking and smelling as you’d expect. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-apathy-over-negitve-things-hillary-clintons-done/763603/82 "2016-08-22T18:49:40Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I think we’ve moved into the “that doesn’t count” part. She showed an appalling lack of judgment - but it doesn’t count because she hasn’t been convicted of a felony. More like “it doesn’t count because it was a mistake, it wasn’t against the law, it was not motivated by malice, and did not cause any harm.” ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-apathy-over-negitve-things-hillary-clintons-done/763603/83 "2016-08-22T19:12:28Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > If you went to the bar with Sanders, he would talk to the crowd and convince everyone to pool their money together to buy drinks. But then all you’d be allowed to buy would be a wheat-grass energy drink. > > If you went to the bar with Clinton, you could get a martini, and then she’d see a high-roller from her past at the end of the bar, and convince him to buy your drink. > > If you went to the bar with Trump, you’d get a beer, and then at the end of the night, your wallet would be missing, the white dudes at the end of the bar would be drunk, and Trump would be nowhere in sight. To expand, with Trump it’s more like: At the end of the night, Trump is nowhere in sight, he’s been buying rounds for the house all night, he opened the tab in your name, the white guys at the end of the bar are drunk and fighting, and your wallet is gone. Before he left, he pinched your ass (or your wife’s) and called you stoopid. Go Murika! ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-apathy-over-negitve-things-hillary-clintons-done/763603/84 "2016-08-22T19:13:03Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I think we’ve moved into the “that doesn’t count” part. She showed an appalling lack of judgment - but it doesn’t count because she hasn’t been convicted of a felony. > > Regards, > Shodan “She hasn’t been convicted of a felony or any other crimes” absolutely is the correct, reality-based, response when some conservative comes running up with his hair on fire, yelling, “Hillary is a felon!” ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-apathy-over-negitve-things-hillary-clintons-done/763603/85 "2016-08-22T19:15:21Z")
I don’t think there’s a lot of apathy; I just think there aren’t a lot of Democrats on the national level to choose from. A hitherto relative unknown Socialist gave her a scare this time (there are still a lot of Sanders’ supporters who don’t like her). Last time a largely unknown black senator beat her to the nomination. I think that because she’s running up against Trump that a lot of people are willing to forgive Hillary’s negatives. If the Republicans had nominated someone more qualified than Oscar The Grouch to be president there might have been more hand-wringing on the Democrat side. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-apathy-over-negitve-things-hillary-clintons-done/763603/86 "2016-08-22T19:18:06Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Yawn, I’ve quoted it before. States that donated to the Clinton Foundation got statistically significant levels of weapons deals greater than those that didn’t. As said I don’t care, **as corrupt as she is** , she’s still better than Trump. Do your own research. Mrs. Clinton is corrupt? **WOW!** Exactly how is she corrupt? ---
**Author:** ![lazybratsche](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ba8739/32.png) [@lazybratsche](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lazybratsche)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-apathy-over-negitve-things-hillary-clintons-done/763603/87 "2016-08-22T19:41:31Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Yawn, I’ve quoted it before. States that donated to the Clinton Foundation got statistically significant levels of weapons deals greater than those that didn’t. As said I don’t care, as corrupt as she is, she’s still better than Trump. Do your own research. I’d be happy to do my own research and analysis on such a topic. However, I haven’t been following this particular controversy. Your statement seems to imply specific statistical inference about the relationship between donations and weapons deals. But without actual numbers (correlation coefficients and p values at an absolute minimum) “statistically significant levels” is not a statement I can take on faith. Is there a publicly available list of (1) US weapons deals given to foreign governments, and (2) donations to the Clinton Foundation from foreign governments? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-apathy-over-negitve-things-hillary-clintons-done/763603/88 "2016-08-22T19:47:55Z")
My baseline answer now; “Twenty five years of continuous ‘investigations’ and hearings that produced exactly ZERO charges against her. No one should have to endure that kind of life-long malicious prosecution. Time for it to stop.” ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-apathy-over-negitve-things-hillary-clintons-done/763603/89 "2016-08-22T20:12:13Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > I think that because she’s running up against Trump that a lot of people are willing to forgive Hillary’s negatives. What are these negatives? Because thats the point, your post and many others like it seem to be based on the assumption that there are serious mistakes in Clintons past or that there are serious reasons why she shouldn’t be president, yet when I try to find out what those negatives are all I find is this weak shit about emails and Benghasi. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-apathy-over-negitve-things-hillary-clintons-done/763603/90 "2016-08-22T20:19:19Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > For me it’s a matter of seeing the “scandals” for what they really are. > > 1. Benghazi. The people responsible are the terrorists who attacked the consulate, not Clinton. > > 2. The Goldman Sachs speech. She’s never given Goldman Sachs any preferential treatment, so why should I care if she gave a speech at one of their meetings? > > 3. Bill’s marital infidelities. Why is this even a scandal. It’s a personal matter between Hillary and Bill. > > 4. The Clinton foundation. There’s no evidence she ever did anyone a favor for donating to the foundation. > > 5. Vince Foster, Seth Rich, and who knows how many other “mysterious” deaths. The Clinton’s had nothing to do with any of them. This one really does head out into right wing loony land. > > 6. The emails. This is the only one with even a little legs. A) The content of the emails does not show any wrongdoing. B) My sincere belief is that she set up the private server to avoid further attacks (like the ones I mention above) from the right. In doing this, she did make an error in judgement. I’m pretty sure she has since learned her lesson. This one error is not anywhere close to disqualifying her from being president. There’s also a number of other shit Karl Rove and the GOP made up. Yep, there’s nothing but the emails. The emails do show a error in judgment. If Hillary had been a Civil servant, she would have been reprimanded and made to retake training. It’s a solid “oops” but no crime. She has been under constant GOP attacks and media scrutiny for over twenty years. If this is the worst- meh. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-apathy-over-negitve-things-hillary-clintons-done/763603/91 "2016-08-22T20:41:29Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > As a non-American I would quite like to know what all these bad things are that Clinton is supposed to have done? Apparently she is the devil and even rational people believe she is a bad choice for president, but actual details on why seem rather thin on the ground? Many U.S. Presidents were significantly ruthless and/or corrupt. JFK, LBJ, and Richard Nixon formed a trifecta of three consecutive ethically-challenged Presidents; and the much idolized Reagan appointed the criminals who orchestrated the Iran-Contra crimes. In more adult times, Americans understood that ruthlessness and bending the law were almost prerequisites for strong leadership! Hillary Clinton is a very admirable woman. Is she guilty of ethical lapses? Quite possibly; certainly the e-mail fiasco raises questions. But the snide right-wingers have been lying about the Clintons so long (the story of the boy who cried “Wolf!” comes to mind) that it is best to ignore all charges against her! And every sensible soul understands that she is by far the better of the two candidates America is now presented with. Most of us would prefer her, warts and all, over any of the 17 clowns that presented themselves on the GOP debate stage. America uses the suffix -gate to denote an alleged political scandal. The litany of complaints against Hillary includes Whitewatergate, Fostergate, Monicagate, Benghazigate, Foundationgate and Emailgate. Most of these are too absurd to bother with. I summarize the Clinton “scandals” sarcastically as “Gategate and Gategate-gate.” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-apathy-over-negitve-things-hillary-clintons-done/763603/92 "2016-08-22T20:50:27Z")
You forgot “GatorGate-gate”, when she made some passing snide remark about the University of Florida back in 1997. (Not True. But I would support her even more if she had done that. 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-apathy-over-negitve-things-hillary-clintons-done/763603/93 "2016-08-22T20:54:38Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > But conservatives will still come running in, insisting that Hillary is a felon and we’re all just a bunch of blind worshipers for supporting her. I remember it was like this when Obama was running as well. No, it can’t possibly be that our ticket is lame and everybody hates our policies… the opposition must be BLIND! The election must be RIGGED! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-apathy-over-negitve-things-hillary-clintons-done/763603/94 "2016-08-22T21:04:24Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > What are these negatives? > > Because thats the point, your post and many others like it seem to be based on the assumption that there are serious mistakes in Clintons past or that there are serious reasons why she shouldn’t be president, yet when I try to find out what those negatives are all I find is this weak shit about emails and Benghasi. “People are talking about it”. That’s about the extent of the talking points now. Rather pathetic really. ---
**Author:** ![MemoryLeak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6f9a4e/32.png) [@MemoryLeak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MemoryLeak)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-apathy-over-negitve-things-hillary-clintons-done/763603/95 "2016-08-22T21:04:44Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > More like “it doesn’t count because it was a mistake, it wasn’t against the law, it was not motivated by malice, and did not cause any harm.” Setting up a home-brew server so she can avoid the intent of the FOIA counts as malice. ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-apathy-over-negitve-things-hillary-clintons-done/763603/96 "2016-08-22T21:10:37Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > I would have expected to hear that back in the day she did something so awful that Americans could never forgive nor forget Well, she was a member of the Young Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-apathy-over-negitve-things-hillary-clintons-done/763603/97 "2016-08-22T21:17:54Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > that level of corruption is still preferable to what Trump would do if he was in charge of such weapons deals and personal enrichment. What is Trump going to do? ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-apathy-over-negitve-things-hillary-clintons-done/763603/98 "2016-08-22T21:19:11Z")
Funny how **Clothahump** hasn’t been back to explain about those felonies. You don’t suppose Hillary _got to him_, do you? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-apathy-over-negitve-things-hillary-clintons-done/763603/99 "2016-08-22T21:21:44Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > I’m voting for her, but that doesn’t mean I will like it. You’ll vote for her, and you _will_ like it. Otherwise, you’re just wasting your vote, and without it Trump will win. There are no other choices. A Clinton presidency is the best of all possible worlds. And besides, I hear the Democrats will have some really cool new planks in their platform in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-apathy-over-negitve-things-hillary-clintons-done/763603/100 "2016-08-22T21:21:57Z")
And the entire ‘marital infidelities’ is a seriously fucked up accusation when the Republican candidate cheated on each of his wives with the next wife, and probably (if you believe his own words) a lot more women than just that. Besides the fact that it is about Bill, and not Hillary. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-apathy-over-negitve-things-hillary-clintons-done/763603.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-apathy-over-negitve-things-hillary-clintons-done/763603.md?page=6)