# Why the fuc\*k can't NATO give Israel the same ultimatum as they gave serbia **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 22, 2000, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuc-k-cant-nato-give-israel-the-same-ultimatum-as-they-gave-serbia/42320 "2000-11-22T17:52:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Celyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9dc877/32.png) [@Celyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celyn)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2000, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuc-k-cant-nato-give-israel-the-same-ultimatum-as-they-gave-serbia/42320/21 "2000-11-22T22:32:27Z")
I have absolutely NO idea where that damned smiley came from. None of this is at all amusing. ---
**Author:** ![McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19adc/32.png) [@McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2000, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuc-k-cant-nato-give-israel-the-same-ultimatum-as-they-gave-serbia/42320/22 "2000-11-22T22:38:29Z")
One of my posts has gone. WTF??? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2000, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuc-k-cant-nato-give-israel-the-same-ultimatum-as-they-gave-serbia/42320/23 "2000-11-22T22:42:34Z")
My, my, Quincy. This is fascinating. _Do_ go on. ---
**Author:** ![QUINCY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/ea666f/32.png) [@QUINCY](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QUINCY)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2000, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuc-k-cant-nato-give-israel-the-same-ultimatum-as-they-gave-serbia/42320/24 "2000-11-22T22:52:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SuaSponte \* > \*\*Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but IIRC under Articles V and VI of the NATO treaty, Israel and the Middle East are geographically outside the boundaries where NATO has authority to act. > Sua \*\* I’m not an expert, but I think they have altered some of the old treaty. Much was changed in 1999. I can’t say for sure, but I think that NATOs restrictions for using atomic weapons aren’t so limited as they where before. ---
**Author:** ![SkinnyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@SkinnyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkinnyGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2000, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuc-k-cant-nato-give-israel-the-same-ultimatum-as-they-gave-serbia/42320/25 "2000-11-22T22:56:53Z")
I was going to suggest a typo as well, the ‘j’ being close to the ‘N’. But then… > [@](#): > > **QUINCY’’’ said:** > About Njew York. > I was using irony. This is not irony, this is an antisemitic remark. And you even go on to prove it yourself. > [@](#): > > **and** > And I feel less and less sorry for them for what happend back in the 40’s. Thank you for insulting the rest of the population of your country by confirming you are not just ignorant, but also one racist motherfucker. And to think I actually stood up for you when you wanted to keep your nationality private. I’m not a betting man, but I’m guessing that you like Ace of Base but _not_ Clawfinger. How about a wager on how many posts it takes for the Q to get banned? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2000, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuc-k-cant-nato-give-israel-the-same-ultimatum-as-they-gave-serbia/42320/26 "2000-11-22T22:58:49Z")
Well Quincy, what kind of final solution do you propose to the jewish problem? ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2000, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuc-k-cant-nato-give-israel-the-same-ultimatum-as-they-gave-serbia/42320/27 "2000-11-22T23:18:08Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by QUINCY’’’ \* \*\* > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kyla \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > I predict that this post will get you banned, you fucking Nazi. The more I type and the more I think about your post, the more angry I get, you goddamned skinhead. I have to stop now before I really lose it. \*\* > > Can you actually see one bad thing that Israel do ? You should, but it doesn’t seem that way. > > \*\* Did you even fucking read my post? Do you know anything about me, you Nazi? I don’t think so. Where did I say anything that indicates that I can’t see that Israel does anything wrong? I’m not upset because you disagree with Israeli policy. I disagree with Israeli policy on a lot of things. I’m upset because you are Nazi scum. ---
**Author:** ![Cantrip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Cantrip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cantrip)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2000, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuc-k-cant-nato-give-israel-the-same-ultimatum-as-they-gave-serbia/42320/28 "2000-11-22T23:25:38Z")
**Quincy** , Sharon was an idiot for going to the Temple Mount. That said, you obviously have no idea what you’re talking about. Let me make two points. 1. The Temple Mount is in an area controlled by the Palestinians, who have nominally forsworn their organizing principle to destroy the state of Israel. They have tried to win public opinion by, among other things, pointing out that they could be entrusted with sites that are holy to more than one religion. They have failed. Not only could they not control their more violent brethren on the Temple Mount (in the face of provocation, but more on that later), but they then sacked Jacob’s Tomb, a Jewish historical/sacred site that, I imagine, is also of interest to Christians. 1. Sharon _told Arafat_ that he was coming, and asked Arafat whether the Palestinian Authority would be able/willing to protect him. Arafat said no. He therefore arrived with however many troops to “guard” him. (I may not have all the details right here, but it’s pretty close if not.) As I said earlier, very stupid and provocative. **However** , if you agree that his mere _presence_ is enough of a provocation to warrant an armed attack by Palestinians, then fuck you very much you anti-Semite bastard. 2. (I realized the list had to have one more point. Hi Opal.) Dumbfuck, it was the Palestinians who purposefully targeted a school bus, in an attack which left a few people dead and lots of little kids without arms, legs, other body parts, or in some cases parents. I am sorry that you are (I hope soon I can say “were”) a member of this Board. **Celyn** - the M-W def. probably had a semicolon right before a right parenthese - if you didn’t disable smilies by checking the box, it would come out as the winking smiley. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2000, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuc-k-cant-nato-give-israel-the-same-ultimatum-as-they-gave-serbia/42320/29 "2000-11-22T23:42:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TheVoiceofReason \* > \*\*One of my posts has gone. WTF??? \*\* If you suspect someone of being a troll, email a mod or admin, don’t post it. And, by the way, I’m waiting for you to ask to get your name changed, since you seem to have already reregistered without notifying the administration. Lynn Administrator For the Straight Dope ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2000, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuc-k-cant-nato-give-israel-the-same-ultimatum-as-they-gave-serbia/42320/30 "2000-11-23T00:58:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lynn Bodoni \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by TheVoiceofReason \* > > \*\*One of my posts has gone. WTF??? \*\* > > If you suspect someone of being a troll, email a mod or admin, don’t post it. And, by the way, I’m waiting for you to ask to get your name changed, since you seem to have already reregistered without notifying the administration. > > Lynn > Administrator > For the Straight Dope \*\* Just sheer curiousity here, **Lynn**. I don’t quite follow from **Voice’s** post to yours. If the connection would lead to a troll-hunt or blow-up of some sort, **please** don’t answer. I’ve had enough of them for a while. Sua ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2000, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuc-k-cant-nato-give-israel-the-same-ultimatum-as-they-gave-serbia/42320/31 "2000-11-23T01:02:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cantrip \* > \*\ ***Quincy** , Sharon was an idiot for going to the Temple Mount. > > 1. The Temple Mount is in an area controlled by the Palestinians If, as seems apparent from the rest of your post, you mean the Palestinian Authority, you’re incorrect. The Palestinian Authority has absolutely no control, authority, etc., on any part of East Jerusalem, including the Temple Mount. IIRC, the Temple Mount is under the authority of a Muslim religious foundation, the name of which escapes me. Not to turn a slamfest on a racist motherfucker into a GQ thread, but … oh, hell, I’ll just put my question into GQ. Sua ---
**Author:** ![Cantrip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Cantrip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cantrip)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2000, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuc-k-cant-nato-give-israel-the-same-ultimatum-as-they-gave-serbia/42320/32 "2000-11-23T01:14:17Z")
**Sua** , then how was it that Sharon was talking to Arafat about protection? Or have I got the whole thing mixed up? He notified Arafat, and I had thought it was to try to arrange for the PA to do something (or not do something). ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2000, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuc-k-cant-nato-give-israel-the-same-ultimatum-as-they-gave-serbia/42320/33 "2000-11-23T02:11:08Z")
The Temple Mount is under the control of the Waqf. I’m not sure, but Arafat probably has some influence on them. ---
**Author:** ![QUINCY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/ea666f/32.png) [@QUINCY](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QUINCY)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2000, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuc-k-cant-nato-give-israel-the-same-ultimatum-as-they-gave-serbia/42320/34 "2000-11-23T05:50:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cantrip \* > \*\ ***Quincy** , Sharon was an idiot for going to the Temple Mount. > > That said, you obviously have no idea what you’re talking about. Let me make two points. > > 1. The Temple Mount is in an area controlled by the Palestinians, who have nominally forsworn their organizing principle to destroy the state of Israel. They have tried to win public opinion by, among other things, pointing out that they could be entrusted with sites that are holy to more than one religion. > > They have failed. Not only could they not control their more violent brethren on the Temple Mount (in the face of provocation, but more on that later), but they then sacked Jacob’s Tomb, a Jewish historical/sacred site that, I imagine, is also of interest to Christians. > > 1. Sharon _told Arafat_ that he was coming, and asked Arafat whether the Palestinian Authority would be able/willing to protect him. Arafat said no. He therefore arrived with however many troops to “guard” him. (I may not have all the details right here, but it’s pretty close if not.) As I said earlier, very stupid and provocative. **However** , if you agree that his mere _presence_ is enough of a provocation to warrant an armed attack by Palestinians, then fuck you very much you anti-Semite bastard. > > 2. (I realized the list had to have one more point. Hi Opal.) Dumbfuck, it was the Palestinians who purposefully targeted a school bus, in an attack which left a few people dead and lots of little kids without arms, legs, other body parts, or in some cases parents. > > I am sorry that you are (I hope soon I can say “were”) a member of this Board. > > **Celyn** - the M-W def. probably had a semicolon right before a right parenthese - if you didn’t disable smilies by checking the box, it would come out as the winking smiley. \*\* What you write here are nonsens from start to end and I wouldn’t be surprised if you where a jew. \*\*DO YOU THINK THIS CONFLICT ARE BETWEEN TWO EQUAL PARTS! \*\*A lot of people talk as this is a war betwwen two equal parts. PEOPLE MUST REALIZE that most what Israel do are calculated. This have been a calculated etnic clensing since the 40s. ISRAEL PROVOCE THE OTHER PART SO THEY CAN JUSTIFY THEIR CLENSING. The Palestinians are fighting for their existance. They have been humiliated by the jews for several decades. And of couses who else than the yanks support this occupation. (I’ve heard that Israel get $ 10 billion from USA each year to use on their army.) Many nations have supported israel in the past and looked upon the Palestinians as terrorists. This is however starting to change now when more and more people get their eyes open and see that this isn’t so black and white. People are beginning to see Israels real motives. They are beginning to understans the rage of the Palestinians. I wonder why the jews never can’t get along with any people. 50 years or less! That’s what it took them to get the arabs as their enemies. And this is a people they never had any trouble with before in history. What will be the next group, the aborgines! ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2000, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuc-k-cant-nato-give-israel-the-same-ultimatum-as-they-gave-serbia/42320/35 "2000-11-23T06:24:27Z")
You know, Kyla, this is oddly reassuring. It reminds me why we needed a country of our own - so that we won’t be at the mercy of people like Quincy here. ---
**Author:** ![QUINCY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/ea666f/32.png) [@QUINCY](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QUINCY)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2000, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuc-k-cant-nato-give-israel-the-same-ultimatum-as-they-gave-serbia/42320/36 "2000-11-23T06:53:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Alessan \* > \*\*You know, Kyla, this is oddly reassuring. It reminds me why we needed a country of our own - so that we won’t be at the mercy of people like Quincy here. \*\* Yeah, but could you manage to find one without destroying the life of other people. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2000, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuc-k-cant-nato-give-israel-the-same-ultimatum-as-they-gave-serbia/42320/37 "2000-11-23T06:55:57Z")
Be quiet, worm. ---
**Author:** ![QUINCY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/ea666f/32.png) [@QUINCY](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QUINCY)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2000, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuc-k-cant-nato-give-israel-the-same-ultimatum-as-they-gave-serbia/42320/38 "2000-11-23T07:12:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SkinnyGuy \* > \*\*I was going to suggest a typo as well, the ‘j’ being close to the ‘N’. But then… > Thank you for insulting the rest of the population of your country by confirming you are not just ignorant, but also one racist motherfucker. \*\* I’m not here to represent any country. ---
**Author:** ![QUINCY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/ea666f/32.png) [@QUINCY](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QUINCY)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2000, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuc-k-cant-nato-give-israel-the-same-ultimatum-as-they-gave-serbia/42320/39 "2000-11-23T07:14:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Alessan \* > \*\*Be quiet, worm. \*\* I suggest that you should read some of my replies in this instead. ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2000, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuc-k-cant-nato-give-israel-the-same-ultimatum-as-they-gave-serbia/42320/40 "2000-11-23T07:19:27Z")
It’s one thing to discuss, to debate, to rant, even. And in the Pit the standards are looser than in the rest of the board. But there is never acceptance for racism or antisemiticism. Quincy, you are way out of line here. Consider this your first and last warning. If we see anything like this again I will personally punch your ticket. Kyla, it’s understood why you would take offense. (FTR, I’m plenty offended too.) However, please do not refer to other people on this board, even antisemites, as “Nazis.” Unless, of course, you see them in uniform goose stepping out of the bunker. I’m closing this thread. your humble TubaDiva Administrator [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuc-k-cant-nato-give-israel-the-same-ultimatum-as-they-gave-serbia/42320.md?page=1)