Well, if you make the assumption that a higher salary goes to a better coach, it’ll be easier to accept. That’s the assumption the colleges are making, anyway. A coach who’s been proven to be successful is the only one who’ll make anything like the 10 million Price was signed for. A successful football team can make that much for the university in a year, I’d imagine.
Whoops, I left the beginning of that quote in there by accident. Sorry, Zoff, I didn’t mean to be the second one to falsely quote you. This one was unintentional.
Los Angeles doesn’t need an NFL team, we have USC 
But seriously, USC football brings in BIG bucks for the school. And oddly enough, though my housing would probably not qualify for section 8, or barely if it does, I do not begrudge Pete Carroll’s salary. I begrudge the building of a new research facility at the cost of desperately needed on-campus parking, but I do not begrudge the coach’s salary? Why?
Well, first of all, I pay $14K per semester in tuition, and it goes toward hiring professors who are chosen based on their research/grant-writing abilities rather than their ability to teach. Do I give a rat’s ass about my Calculus professor’s paper on the mathematical equations behind earthquake P-waves (which seem to have no correlation to what’s being taught in my earthquakes course) when I’m FAILING calculus? No. What I give a rat’s ass about is the prospect of shelling out another $14K to stay in school longer as a result of failing calculus - especially when I think too much of that money is going toward research and not towards education. I had a professor and a TA, neither of whom spoke English clearly, the professor’s handwriting was even worse than mine (a rare feat) and the TA had an attitude problem every time you didn’t understand the subject matter. Sorry chick, but “you learned this two weeks ago” just doesn’t fly as an explanation of integrals. I obviously DIDN’T learn it two weeks ago, would ya mind teaching me? I had better professors in junior college, so where the fuck has my money gone?
Do I believe one red cent of that cash is going towards the football program? No. I know the football program more than funds itself. Fuck, the damn BAND funds itself, I’m sure football can. The alumni base at USC in tremendously strong, more so than at other schools (which is half the reason one goes to USC - the Trojan family can help you get JOBS). Cardinal and Gold costs $2000/yr to belong to, and if you want decent season seats, you have to belong. Then if you want to be at the 30-yard line or closer in, you have to belong to Committee, which is $5000/yr. I’m not sure what Scholarship runs, but it has to be $10K or higher. Yeah, Caroll can take his millions, he’s earning it.
Now if only someone would donate money for more parking structures on campus…(and some decent damn housing! My building’s ghetto!)
It’s a reasonable theory, but that’s not enough. And, of course, if you assume your conclusion the conclusion is easier to accept.
He’s called me a dumbass for my post. My post said that direct effects probably don’t exist but that it could create a dynamic in which it benefits the university. So I’m waiting to see the direct correlation. I don’t want to hear him talking about indirect benefits because that’s for dumbasses. He’s staked his claim, and I’m waiting for support.
No problem about the quote. The only reason I brought it up with TaxGuy is that falsely attributing quotes is frowned upon and his doctored quote seemed kinda borderline.
Los Angeles is a “world-class city”? That weird, I always thought it was a shit hole.
What really stuns me though is what is apparently a USC student giving a lucid discussion of the quality of education there. The professors are chosen for their research rather than their teaching ability? I thought they were chosen for their ability to tie their shoes without getting their fingers tangled (or worse). Has USC really progressed to the point where someone could call it a “school” and not start sniggering? Next you’ll tell me the “band” has learned to play more than two songs.
Plus, he was being a puerile dick…not to put words in your mouth.
Aaaand on preview, it appears that he’s not the only one. :dubious:
So what crawled up your ass, died and festered, Greg Charles?
Are you saying that the profs at UCSD or UCLA or whatever school you go to are chosen by their ability to teach and not on their research and academic reputation? Allow me a hearty laugh if you are seriously asserting this.
At the University of Texas, the athletics program is not subsidized by a single dollar from the university. It is financed 100% by revenue it generates and donations that are specifically given to athletics.
Aw, man, tell me about it. If there’s an alum who went to (insert Catholic university of your choice) as an undergrad, and ND as a grad, ND always gets the lion’s share of the gift. They have more money than they know what to do with there…a priest at my place was telling me that they spent millions to build a new science building at ND because the old one was too far away from the dorms and “they didn’t want the students to have to walk so far”! :rolleyes:
BMW’s for the football players I presume.
You guys are really mistaken about something. There was a report a year or so ago about how much money athletic programs at colleges bring in and the results were pretty astounding. Something like 90% of Division I football programs lost money. A lot of money.
I remeber a few years ago when Wisconsin went to the Rose Bowl, which had a guaranteed payout to Wisconsin of something like $9,000,000. Which sound fabulous.
Except Wisconsin has to split that with the 10 other members of the Big 10 conference.
And use it to pay for travel and hotel accomodations. <------That was the kicker.
Wisconsin spent so much on travel and accomodations that they ended up having to pay an additional $400,000.
Do you remember where you saw that? There are only a little over 100 D-1 Football programs. Your information would indicate that only ten or 11 are making money. All 12 SEC schools claim to run well in the black on football. Football pays for the minor, non-revenue sports in the SEC. At Auburn University, the football program has additionally donated over a half-million dollars to the library in the past few years. I can’t believe everybody outside the SEC is losing money on football.
Correction there: there are 117 D-I A programs. There are a 130-odd D-IAA programs. I say “130-odd” because some of those programs have their backs to the wall and may soon drop football. Canisius College in Buffalo, a I-AA school, played their final season last year.
I’d like to see a cite for Peyton’s Servant’s claim that “90% of Division I football programs” lost money too, though. Heck, off the top of my head I could probably name 24 programs that, as John Carter of Mars says, pay for their school’s minor sports programs. (Top of the list is Penn State, of course.) But I don’t doubt that most of the D-IAA football programs, and perhaps some of the non-BCS D-IA programs, are losing money or at the very least not able to help other sports.
"Correction there: there are 117 D-I A programs. There are a 130-odd D-IAA programs. "
OOOPS! I was of course thinking of D-1A only.:o