# Why the FUCK is MSNBC giving free air to Saxby Chambliss via Sarah Palin's speeches? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 1, 2008, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182 "2008-12-01T14:15:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![ReuvenB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc348/32.png) [@ReuvenB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ReuvenB)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/41 "2008-12-03T14:39:07Z")
And [here’s](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgsbpJNTZ1c&feature=channel) the ad where he accuses Martin of killing children (or allowing them to be killed, it’s not very clear) ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/42 "2008-12-03T14:40:00Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > while at the same time many of them were chortling with glee at ads comparing Bush to Hitler. Really? Got a cite for that? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/43 "2008-12-03T15:13:24Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > RNATB, I suggest you read this link for the full story, thank you for posting it What The…!!!. It also jogged my memory, I remember musing at the time how ironic it was that the left was outraged at Chambliss’ ads for having been beyond the bounds of propriety…while at the same time many of them were chortling with glee at ads comparing Bush to Hitler. As I said, it all comes down to who’s ox… There were no ads comparing Bush to Hitler. There was an amateur ad submited to Moveon a part of a contest, but it was never actually run by anybody, unlike your draft dodging, scumbag man-crush Chambliss who approved and paid for and ran an ad calling a guy who lost three limbs in Vietnam a terrorist. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/44 "2008-12-03T15:20:31Z")
> [@XWalrus2](#): > > And [here’s](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgsbpJNTZ1c&feature=channel) the ad where he accuses Martin of killing children (or allowing them to be killed, it’s not very clear) There’s also the ad where he [gropes his grandaughter’s chest](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_3T6q88QF4) on camera. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/45 "2008-12-03T15:21:08Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > RNATB, I suggest you read this link for the full story, thank you for posting it What The…!!!. It also jogged my memory, I remember musing at the time how ironic it was that the left was outraged at Chambliss’ ads for having been beyond the bounds of propriety…while at the same time many of them were chortling with glee at ads comparing Bush to Hitler. As I said, it all comes down to who’s ox… Jog your memory some more. It’s not workin’ right. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/46 "2008-12-03T15:35:06Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > There were no ads comparing Bush to Hitler. There was an amateur ad submited to Moveon a part of a contest, but it was never actually run by anybody, unlike your draft dodging, scumbag man-crush Chambliss who approved and paid for and ran an ad calling a guy who lost three limbs in Vietnam a terrorist. Good bleeding fuck you’re an idiot. 4 posts down from a link to the actual ad(so anyone can click on it and see for themselves what actually ran), and you’re still yammering on about how Chambliss “ran an ad calling a guy who lost three limbs in Vietnam a terrorist.” when in fact he demonstratively did not. Hell, the linked Salon article (Salon for fuck’s sake, not some right wing blog) even says as much. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/47 "2008-12-03T15:38:47Z")
That was the intentional implication of the ad. I don’t care what Slate says (and even the Slate article calls the ad “sleazy”). I can see the ad for myself. How about a cite for people “chortling” over Bush=Hitler ads? ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/48 "2008-12-03T15:47:03Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > That was the intentional implication of the ad. I don’t care what Slate says (and even the Slate article calls the ad “sleazy”). I can see the ad for myself. > > How about a cite for people “chortling” over Bush=Hitler ads? As those of us not trolling know there were no Bush-Hitler adverts, just an entry to a Move-on competition so there can be no cite. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/49 "2008-12-03T16:12:51Z")
Let’s see if I have this straight: This Saxby person is a scumbag because his campaign ran ads against his opponent which were dishonest, unfair, and mean-spirited. Is that it? ---
**Author:** ![ReuvenB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc348/32.png) [@ReuvenB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ReuvenB)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/50 "2008-12-03T16:14:12Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Let’s see if I have this straight: This Saxby person is a scumbag because his campaign ran ads against his opponent which were dishonest, unfair, and mean-spirited. Is that it? No, he’s a scumbag because he’s a bag full of scum. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/51 "2008-12-03T16:15:34Z")
> [@tagos](#): > > As those of us not trolling know there were no Bush-Hitler adverts, just an entry to a Move-on competition so there can be no cite. I find it odd that you asking me for a cite that someone chortled over an ad\* when it’s Dio posting through his ass. He’s gone from “face morphing” to “calling a terrorist” to “uh, that was the intentional implication” in just over a dozen posts as he gets called on his lies and distortions. If I can keep him spinning like this, pretty soon he’s going to turn into butter. \*How about Margaret Cho, in her act: “they were saying that they’re all angry about how two of these ads were comparing Bush to Hitler? I mean, out of thousands of submissions, they find two. They’re like fucking looking for Hitler in a haystack. You now? I mean, George Bush is not Hitler. He would be if he fucking applied himself.” Sound like chortling to me. It’s funny too. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/52 "2008-12-03T16:16:47Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > I find it odd that you asking me for a cite that someone chortled over an ad\* when it’s Dio posting through his ass. He’s gone from “face morphing” to “calling a terrorist” to “uh, that was the intentional implication” in just over a dozen posts as he gets called on his lies and distortions. If I can keep him spinning like this, pretty soon he’s going to turn into butter. > \*How about Margaret Cho, in her act: “they were saying that they’re all angry about how two of these ads were comparing Bush to Hitler? I mean, out of thousands of submissions, they find two. They’re like fucking looking for Hitler in a haystack. You now? I mean, George Bush is not Hitler. He would be if he fucking applied himself.” Sound like chortling to me. It’s funny too. IOW, you got nuthin’. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/53 "2008-12-03T16:17:39Z")
> [@XWalrus2](#): > > No, he’s a scumbag because he’s a bag full of scum. Well there’s a cogent argument. :rolleyes: Seriously, can you articulate why? I don’t know him, or his policies, or anything else, other than the flap about his ads. Why is he scum? ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/54 "2008-12-03T16:18:47Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > IOW, you got nuthin’. You miss-quoted. I think you meant to quote post #47. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/55 "2008-12-03T16:21:28Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > I find it odd that you asking me for a cite that someone chortled over an ad\* when it’s Dio posting through his ass. He’s gone from “face morphing” to “calling a terrorist” to “uh, that was the intentional implication” in just over a dozen posts as he gets called on his lies and distortions. If I can keep him spinning like this, pretty soon he’s going to turn into butter. > \*How about Margaret Cho, in her act: “they were saying that they’re all angry about how two of these ads were comparing Bush to Hitler? I mean, out of thousands of submissions, they find two. They’re like fucking looking for Hitler in a haystack. You now? I mean, George Bush is not Hitler. He would be if he fucking applied himself.” Sound like chortling to me. It’s funny too. I didn’t ask you for a cite. There was no advert so there can be no cite. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/56 "2008-12-03T16:22:39Z")
As The Official Arbiter Of Scumbaggery, I have reached a verdict, and will render same… now. 1. Did the ad imply or explicitly state that Cleland was a terrorist? **No.** 2. Was the ad utterly, ridiculously inappropriate nonetheless? **Yes.** 3. Does running one dick attack ad make Chambliss a scumbag? **It is our considered opinion that it does not. While the ad was a dick move, Senator Chambliss has not made any further public attempts to display the douchebagginess of which he stands accused; and this, has failed to reach the high threshold required by this Court for admission to the ranks of Scumbaghood. The charge is dismissed with prejudice, though the Court notes it would be willing to reopen this matter should additional acts of twattery come to light.** In so saying, **XWalrus2** ’s personal experience with Senator Chambliss is duly noted. Petitioner, **Diogenes the Cynic** , is hereby ordered to pay all court costs incurred by **Weirddave** in this matter. The Court of **Really Not All That Bright’s** Opinion is hereby adjourned. ---
**Author:** ![ReuvenB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc348/32.png) [@ReuvenB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ReuvenB)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/57 "2008-12-03T16:26:26Z")
You want my personal experience with him? He spoke at my synagogue a few years ago. He took a cross up on the bimah (a stage… thing. I think you’d call it a pulpit?) which is generally a big giant no-no. He spoke to us (a group of Jews) about how Jesus helps him make his decisions, and how whenever he needs guidance, he looks to Jesus. This might be acceptable in a church, but not in a synagogue. It was completely and utterly over the top offensive. After telling us all about how much he loves Jesus, there was a question and answer session. A question was asked of him about what he thought of the situation in Darfur. He replied by going on for about ten minutes about how we needed to defend ourselves from terrorists by making sure that the Department of Homeland Security had the funding it needed. It was pretty obvious that he had no idea what Darfur was. Afterwards, I went up to him to shake his hand and talk to him, and I asked him if he had misheard the question about Darfur, and whether maybe he would like me to email his office some information on the situation. He said he was very sure that America needed to be protected from terrorists. His aide gave me a card after I was finished speaking with him, and asked me to send the aforementioned information. I did, later that night, in fact. I never heard back from the aide, or from his office. He didn’t only not care, he didn’t care about not caring. The man is a scumbag. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/58 "2008-12-03T16:35:50Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Let’s see if I have this straight: This Saxby person is a scumbag because his campaign ran ads against his opponent which were dishonest, unfair, and mean-spirited. Is that it? Careful, fellas… I think **brazil84** might have somethin’ up his sleeve! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/59 "2008-12-03T16:37:08Z")
> [@XWalrus2](#): > > He spoke at my synagogue a few years ago. He took a cross up on the bimah (a stage… thing. I think you’d call it a pulpit?) which is generally a big giant no-no. He spoke to us (a group of Jews) about how Jesus helps him make his decisions, and how whenever he needs guidance, he looks to Jesus. This might be acceptable in a church, but not in a synagogue. It was completely and utterly over the top offensive. Was he, like, carrying a big wooden cross, or was he just wearing a little crucifix around his neck or something? ---
**Author:** ![ReuvenB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc348/32.png) [@ReuvenB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ReuvenB)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/60 "2008-12-03T16:39:01Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Was he, like, carrying a big wooden cross, or was he just wearing a little crucifix around his neck or something? He wasn’t wearing it. He had it in his pocket, and pulled it out to show us and pontificate on. If he had been wearing it, it wouldn’t have ticked me or anyone else off. He called (a great amount of) attention to it, which was the problem. Usually when people bring crosses onto the bimah, it means trouble for Jews. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182.md?page=4)