# Why the FUCK is MSNBC giving free air to Saxby Chambliss via Sarah Palin's speeches? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 1, 2008, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182 "2008-12-01T14:15:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/61 "2008-12-03T16:39:07Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Let’s see if I have this straight: This Saxby person is a scumbag because his campaign ran ads against his opponent which were dishonest, unfair, and mean-spirited. Is that it? Not quite - he is a scumbag because he is a Republican who is running for public office. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/62 "2008-12-03T16:39:37Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Careful, fellas… I think **brazil84** might have somethin’ up his sleeve! This is B84. If past posting history is anything to go by he imagines he has something up his sleeve. If past posting history is anything to go by he hasn’t even got a sleeve. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/63 "2008-12-03T16:41:58Z")
> [@XWalrus2](#): > > He wasn’t wearing it. He had it in his pocket, and pulled it out to show us and pontificate on. If he had been wearing it, it wouldn’t have ticked me or anyone else off. He called (a great amount of) attention to it, which was the problem. Usually when people bring crosses onto the bimah, it means trouble for Jews. Now I’m really curious. Was he invited to your synagogue to speak about Jesus? Faith in general? The sweet potato harvest? ---
**Author:** ![ReuvenB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc348/32.png) [@ReuvenB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ReuvenB)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/64 "2008-12-03T16:44:25Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Now I’m really curious. Was he invited to your synagogue to speak about Jesus? Faith in general? The sweet potato harvest? None of the above. He was asked to speak becauseas a favor to a big donor to the temple was also a big donor to his campaign. I think he actually was asked to speak about his support of Israel, which is kind of a big deal in the Jewish community. I don’t think Israel was actually mentioned, except in passing. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/65 "2008-12-03T16:54:23Z")
> [@XWalrus2](#): > > None of the above. He was asked to speak becauseas a favor to a big donor to the temple was also a big donor to his campaign. I think he actually was asked to speak about his support of Israel, which is kind of a big deal in the Jewish community. I don’t think Israel was actually mentioned, except in passing. Well, Jesus lived in Israel, you know. ---
**Author:** ![ReuvenB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc348/32.png) [@ReuvenB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ReuvenB)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/66 "2008-12-03T16:55:11Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Well, Jesus lived in Israel, you know. Touché. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/67 "2008-12-03T16:59:07Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Not quite - he is a scumbag because he is a Republican who is running for public office. > > Regards, > Shodan Actually, all I’ve heard about him was that he was a scumbag for **exactly** the things the poster you quoted said. Precisely. I also recall a clip of Senator McCain being very unhappy about those ads as well. Well, until he agreed to stump for him, that is. Don’t know anything else about the guy, at all. And when I heard about it in the first place neither party was mentioned, so I was unaware of his party affiliation until recently. So, no, you’re not correct about this assumption. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/68 "2008-12-03T17:06:47Z")
> [@wring](#): > > So, no, you’re not correct about this assumption. No, I’m not. It’s standard treatment on the SDMB for any Republican running for office. The closer they come to winning the election, the worse they are. If they actually win, that makes them Satan incarnate. See any one of a hundred threads on McCain for examples. ETA: for examples of how the anti-Republican gets worse and worse as an election approaches, not because he won. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/69 "2008-12-03T17:34:24Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Let’s see if I have this straight: This Saxby person is a scumbag because his campaign ran ads against his opponent which were dishonest, unfair, and mean-spirited. Is that it? No, he’s a scumbag because he’s a draft dodger who compared a severely wounded vet to Osma bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/70 "2008-12-03T17:42:46Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > I find it odd that you asking me for a cite that someone chortled over an ad\* when it’s Dio posting through his ass. He’s gone from “face morphing” to “calling a terrorist” to “uh, that was the intentional implication” in just over a dozen posts as he gets called on his lies and distortions. If I can keep him spinning like this, pretty soon he’s going to turn into butter. It was morphing. Your draft dodging sex idol, Chambliss, MORPHED an image of a wounded vet into an image of Osama bin Laden. Morphed morphed morphed. You should be fucking ashamed of yourself. If you’d ever served you might understand why the ad was offensive. Are you ever going to back up your bullshit about the fictional, non-existent “Hitler” ads? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/71 "2008-12-03T17:48:07Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Was he, like, carrying a big wooden cross, or was he just wearing a little crucifix around his neck or something? What possible difference could it make? You don’t go preaching Jesus in a synagogue. The cross is neither here nor there. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/72 "2008-12-03T18:05:10Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No, I’m not. It’s standard treatment on the SDMB for any Republican running for office. The closer they come to winning the election, the worse they are. If they actually win, that makes them Satan incarnate. > > See any one of a hundred threads on McCain for examples. > > ETA: for examples of how the anti-Republican gets worse and worse as an election approaches, not because he won. > > Regards, > Shodan W/a/d/r and all, “Bull fucking shit” While it may indeed be commonplace for liberals to not like various conservative politicians and complain vocally (which falls into the ‘no fucking shit’ category), this does not mean that **in this case** that’s all we got. Again **in this case** it ain’t all. The ads were worthy of scorn and derision by any and all fair minded folk. And did, indeed offend many, including conservatives. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/73 "2008-12-03T18:15:28Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > What possible difference could it make? You don’t go preaching Jesus in a synagogue. The cross is neither here nor there. Sure, but it adds to the toolishness of the action if it’s an actual cross. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/74 "2008-12-03T18:48:20Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > No, he’s a scumbag because he’s a draft dodger who compared a severely wounded vet to Osma bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. I don’t see the principle behind your point here. If it’s ok to run ads comparing one’s opponent to Osama Bin Laden, I don’t see why veterans (or wounded veterans) should be immune from such an attack. Similarly, if it’s ok for draft dodgers to run ads attacking wounded veterans, I don’t see why it’s particularly scummy for them to compare their opponenets to Osama Bin Laden. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/75 "2008-12-03T19:15:14Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I don’t see the principle behind your point here. If it’s ok to run ads comparing one’s opponent to Osama Bin Laden, I don’t see why veterans (or wounded veterans) should be immune from such an attack. > > Similarly, if it’s ok for draft dodgers to run ads attacking wounded veterans, I don’t see why it’s particularly scummy for them to compare their opponenets to Osama Bin Laden. Who said any of that shit was ok? If you don’t already understand why the Chambliss ad was scummy, then I’m not going to be able to offer you any further assistance with it. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/76 "2008-12-03T19:26:21Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Who said any of that shit was ok? It’s basically implied by your answer to my question. If the scumminess comes from comparing one’s opponent to Osama Bin Laden, then there was no need for you to mention that Saxby is a draft dodger. See, I want to figure out the principle behind your point. So that I can then apply the same standard to Democrats. But it seems to me that **Shodan** basically right. > [@](#): > > If you don’t already understand why the Chambliss ad was scummy, then I’m not going to be able to offer you any further assistance with it. :shrug: I don’t see why Chambliss is any scummier than most politicians. ---
**Author:** ![ReuvenB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc348/32.png) [@ReuvenB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ReuvenB)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/77 "2008-12-03T20:53:37Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > :shrug: I don’t see why Chambliss is any scummier than most politicians. That’s because you’re stupid. But we all already knew that. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/78 "2008-12-03T21:09:54Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] See, I want to figure out the principle behind your point. So that I can then apply the same standard to Democrats. [/QUOTE] Let’s look at a few examples, and see if we can deduce the principle from those. A draft dodger should never run for office unless it’s Clinton. You can’t attack a war hero when he runs for office unless it’s McCain. If someone says something stupid in the course of a campaign, this is a big deal unless it’s Biden. If you have ever associated in any way with hatemongers, that’s terrible except for Obama. Unsubstantiated accusations of sexual harassment are nothing except if it’s Clarence Thomas. Obviously false accusations of misconduct during military service are a horrible thing unless it’s Bush. It’s sexist to tell a woman she shouldn’t be trying for a top level executive job because the needs of her family should come first unless it’s Sarah Palin. Getting the picture? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/79 "2008-12-03T21:11:07Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It was morphing. Your draft dodging sex idol, Chambliss, MORPHED an image of a wounded vet into an image of Osama bin Laden. Morphed morphed morphed. You should be fucking ashamed of yourself. If you’d ever served you might understand why the ad was offensive. Link? I haven’t seen any ad that morphed Cleland into OBL, surely it’s on YouTube or LiveLeak or somewhere. > [@](#): > > Are you ever going to back up your bullshit about the fictional, non-existent “Hitler” ads? I honestly have no idea what you’re asking for here. Such an ad was produced. Some people condemned it, some liked it. I provided a quote upthread of someone chortling over the ad. Googling “Bush Hitler” yields 1 and a half million hits, including pages like [this](http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles3/Jayne_Hitler-Bush.htm) and [this](http://www.mninter.net/~hedwards/bush/hitler-bush.htm) and [this](http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen01312003.html). What the hell are you asking for a cite of? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/80 "2008-12-03T21:22:22Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > You can’t attack a war hero when he runs for office unless it’s McCain. Or Bob Dole. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182.md?page=5)