# Why the FUCK is MSNBC giving free air to Saxby Chambliss via Sarah Palin's speeches? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 1, 2008, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182 "2008-12-01T14:15:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/81 "2008-12-03T21:48:57Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Link? I haven’t seen any ad that morphed Cleland into OBL, surely it’s on YouTube or LiveLeak or somewhere. Yep, it’s the linked ad that morphs Cleland into bin Laden. Morphs morphs morphs. You can try to apologize for it or spin it however you want, but that’s what it amounts to (call it “juxtaposition” if it makes you feel better – same difference as far as I’m concerned). > [@](#): > > I honestly have no idea what you’re asking for here. Such an ad was produced. Some people condemned it, some liked it. I provided a quote upthread of someone chortling over the ad. Googling “Bush Hitler” yields 1 and a half million hits, including pages like [this](http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles3/Jayne_Hitler-Bush.htm) and [this](http://www.mninter.net/~hedwards/bush/hitler-bush.htm) and [this](http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen01312003.html). What the hell are you asking for a cite of? That anyone ever bought or ran an ad comparing Bush to Hitler. It didn’t happen. No such ad was ever commissioned, produced or run by any candidate or even a 527 group. Some random fuck on the internet sent a video to Moveon. That’s not an ad. It’s not ad unless it’s actually paid for and run by somebody. You also said that the “same people” pissed about the Chambliss ad “chortled” at a Hitler ad. The best you can do to back that up is that a standup comic made a joke about a video submitted to a political website (and subsequently removed, by that site, by the way). There was never any actual paid advertisement comparing Bush to Hitler, nor have you succeeded in any attempt to show hypocrisy on the part of those condemning the Chambliss ad. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/82 "2008-12-03T21:49:06Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Or Bob Dole. 😉 Bob Dole says that that’s not fair to Bob Dole. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/83 "2008-12-03T21:54:00Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Yep, it’s the linked ad that morphs Cleland into bin Laden. Morphs morphs morphs. Say it a few more time. Maybe then it’ll become true. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > That anyone ever bought or ran an ad comparing Bush to Hitler. It didn’t happen. No such ad was ever commissioned, produced or run by any candidate or even a 527 group. Some random fuck on the internet sent a video to Moveon. That’s not an ad. It’s not ad unless it’s actually paid for and run by somebody. > > You also said that the “same people” pissed about the Chambliss ad “chortled” at a Hitler ad. The best you can do to back that up is that a standup comic made a joke about a video submitted to a political website (and subsequently removed, by that site, by the way). There was never any actual paid advertisement comparing Bush to Hitler, nor have you succeeded in any attempt to show hypocrisy on the part of those condemning the Chambliss ad. So now you’re arguing about what the definition of is is. Why don’t you just admit you were wrong when confronted with the evidence instead of desperately trying to twist and distort your words to avoid facing the facts? It won’t kill you to do so, you might even grow a little bit as a person. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/84 "2008-12-03T21:54:55Z")
Nobody attacked McCain’s war record (as the Republicans did to Kerry) or called him anti-American or suggested that he was in league with terrorists (as the Republicans to do everybody with a (D) by their name). The Democrats are always ridiculously deferential to Republican candidates who are veterans. That courtesy is never, ever extended in the other direction – as evidenced by the sliming of Kerry and Cleland. Military service only counts if you’re a Republican. Hell, even if you’re a Republican combat vet, you’re still a traitor and a terrorist if you criticize the Lord and Savior, W or the Holy Madonna, Palin. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/85 "2008-12-03T21:57:01Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Say it a few more time. Maybe then it’ll become true. > > So now you’re arguing about what the definition of is is. Why don’t you just admit you were wrong when confronted with the evidence instead of desperately trying to twist and distort your words to avoid facing the facts? It won’t kill you to do so, you might even grow a little bit as a person. So basically you can’t back up your shit so you’re going to pretend that I’m the one who’s making things up. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/86 "2008-12-03T22:00:38Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Let’s look at a few examples, and see if we can deduce the principle from those. > > A draft dodger should never run for office unless it’s Clinton. You can’t attack a war hero when he runs for office unless it’s McCain. If someone says something stupid in the course of a campaign, this is a big deal unless it’s Biden. If you have ever associated in any way with hatemongers, that’s terrible except for Obama. Unsubstantiated accusations of sexual harassment are nothing except if it’s Clarence Thomas. Obviously false accusations of misconduct during military service are a horrible thing unless it’s Bush. It’s sexist to tell a woman she shouldn’t be trying for a top level executive job because the needs of her family should come first unless it’s Sarah Palin. That was cute, but how can you criticize anyone for being a partisan? You do nothing but attack democrats and defend republicans. > [@Shodan](#): > > Regards, > Shodan Fuck you too. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/87 "2008-12-03T22:18:19Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > So basically you can’t back up your shit so you’re going to pretend that I’m the one who’s making things up. No, I’ve backed up what I’m saying with quotes and cites. You’re refusing to accept them because it would mean having to admit you’re wrong. Pit or not, you haven’t backed up a single thing you’re claiming, I have. Substance beats bombast and hysteria, sometimes. This is one of those times. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/88 "2008-12-03T22:25:53Z")
No one (that I saw) said “you can’t attack a war vet” or wounded war vet. What I **do** see us saying is that "attacking a war vet/wounded war vet on their loyalty or patriotic nature, or their wounds is scummy beyond belief. And what I’ve seen is Kerry attacked in this manner by Republicans, Cleland attacked in this manner by Republicans, and McCain attacked in this manner by Republicans. The common denominator is, afaict: republicans. Now, I’m willing to concede the point if some one can point at attack ads by Dems against wounded Vets accusing them of disloyalty, lack of patriotic convictions, or nature of their wounds. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/89 "2008-12-03T22:32:20Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Substance beats bombast and hysteria, sometimes. This is one of those times. Says the guy who consistently demonstrates less substance than Casper the Ghost. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/90 "2008-12-03T22:33:14Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > No, I’ve backed up what I’m saying with quotes and cites. You’re refusing to accept them because it would mean having to admit you’re wrong. Pit or not, you haven’t backed up a single thing you’re claiming, I have. Substance beats bombast and hysteria, sometimes. This is one of those times. My cite is the quite viewable link to the Chambliss ad where everyone can decide for themselves whether “morphing” is a fair description. You have failed to show a cite for either the existence of any paid political advertisement comparing Bush to Hitler, or to support your allegation that those who condemn the Cleland=bin Laden ad ever “chortled” at a Bush=Hitler ad. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/91 "2008-12-03T22:43:00Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > You have failed to show a cite for either the existence of any paid political advertisement comparing Bush to Hitler, A claim I never made. > [@](#): > > or to support your allegation that those who condemn the Cleland=bin Laden ad ever “chortled” at a Bush=Hitler ad. Again, untrue. I said that people on the left condemn Chambliss’ ad, this thread is my cite for that; I also claimed that people on the left chortled at the other ad, which I also substantiated, although I suppose you could try and attack that by attacking Margaret Cho as a closet Republican or conservative. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/92 "2008-12-03T22:47:16Z")
One standup comic does not equal “people on the left.” ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/93 "2008-12-03T23:37:40Z")
By the way, I just looked at the ad, and I didn’t see any morphing. I didn’t even see a suggestion that the candidate was equivalent to Osama Bin Laden or Saddham Hussein. The suggestion was pretty clear that the candidate doesn’t have the courage to stand up to the likes of Osama Bin Laden. But that’s not the same thing. Maybe I’m looking at the wrong ad. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/94 "2008-12-04T00:04:13Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > RNATB, I suggest you read this link for the full story, thank you for posting it What The…!!!. It also jogged my memory, I remember musing at the time how ironic it was that the left was outraged at Chambliss’ ads for having been beyond the bounds of propriety…while at the same time many of them were chortling with glee at ads comparing Bush to Hitler. As I said, it all comes down to who’s ox… Let’s try this again. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/95 "2008-12-04T01:49:58Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > That was cute, but how can you criticize anyone for being a partisan? You do nothing but attack democrats and defend republicans. I realize this comment is addressed at **Shodan** , but for what it’s worth, I think that there are probably plenty of scummy Republicans and Democrats. I do find political partisans to be annoying, e.g. Rush Limbaugh and **Diogenes** on this board. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/96 "2008-12-04T02:08:16Z")
I can’t be a partisan. I belong to no party. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/97 "2008-12-04T20:45:20Z")
I wish it had been someone nicer than Chambliss, but I’m very OK with a filibuster-able Congress. It forces talks and compromise. I don’t want the Democrats to be able to ram anything and everything down the national gullet. I feel the same way about Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/98 "2008-12-04T21:04:12Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > I wish it had been someone nicer than Chambliss, but I’m very OK with a filibuster-able Congress. It forces talks and compromise. Have you not been paying attention for the past two years? The Republicans filibuster fucking everything, because they can. It’s not forcing talks, because that’s not how filibusters work anymore, and it’s not forcing compromise, because the Senate Democrats have been bending over backwards to accommodate Republicans whenever they make the least show of discontent. Oh, and **Shodan** , saying that the Dope attacks all Republicans just because they’re Republicans is horse shit. Some Republicans are scumbags, like Saxby Chambliss. Some are not, like Dick Lugar. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/99 "2008-12-04T21:27:48Z")
Tough noogie. It’s their job to find a way around it. The alternative, that a single party can force their every whim through, is completely unacceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2008, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182/100 "2008-12-05T14:53:56Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > Tough noogie. It’s their job to find a way around it. The alternative, that a single party can force their every whim through, is completely unacceptable. You know, in a time of economic crisis, legislative gridlock is not a good thing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-fuck-is-msnbc-giving-free-air-to-saxby-chambliss-via-sarah-palins-speeches/475182.md?page=6)