[QUOTE=smiling bandit]
Regardless of the ideals of beauty argument, Alicia Silverstone had gained noticable gained weight, and was crammed into the wrong suit.
[/QUOTE]
True enough. Black leather or rubber is going to enhance the visual of one’s posterior. The costume should have been changed. Hell, even Kate Beckinsale was complaining how big her ass looked in Underworld and Van Helsing. (Whereas those movies put her on my List. )
And Wierddave, how much outcry would there have been if there had been nipples on her costume! Immediate R rating! How obscene!
Goyer can talk all he wants about how he wants to do villains that haven’t been done yet in the movie series, but it’s just not a realistic statement. Who’s left after Catwoman, The Penguin, The Riddler, Bane, Mr Freeze and Poison Ivy?
No one of any note, that’s who.
– The Mad Hatter is lame (and would look ridiculous on screen).
– Clayface wouldn’t really fit within the confines of the Nolan Batverse. You could force him in somehow, but again, the lameness.
– Man-Bat, see Clayface
– Harley Quinn could be done, but that would require them to recast The Joker. And that idea is still up in the air last I heard.
Killer Croc is about the only villain left that could be done in the movie series right. And at point, why not just go with the more interesting Bane?
There’s that one ventriloquist from the animated series. Creepy little sumbitch. He’d work well in Nolan’s universe, although moviegoers wouldn’t recognize him as immediately as the Joker.
Someone on this board suggested casting Owen Wilson as the Mad Hatter and making him a pedophile. I still can’t get past how creepy that could be, and think it would be an inspired casting.
[QUOTE=VarlosZ]
I don’t think I’ll be inviting you to any of my parties.
[/QUOTE]
Giving him the cold shoulder, are you?
Anyway, I wouldn’t have a problem with an intelligent Bane, though what I’d really like to see is a World’s Finest movie in which Superman thinks Batman is “cool, because he’s so goth and dark” while Batman thinks Superman is a well-intentioned but clumsy amateur.
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers]
Anyway, I wouldn’t have a problem with an intelligent Bane, though what I’d really like to see is a World’s Finest movie in which Superman thinks Batman is “cool, because he’s so goth and dark” while Batman thinks Superman is a well-intentioned but clumsy amateur.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=shy guy]
Oh, I’ve defended it plenty, although not, that I can recall, on this board.
But yeah, I don’t think it’s the best Batman movie (that’s always a toss-up between Batman: Mask of the Phantasm and the 60’s Batman movie), but I think it’s quite good, and has a great deal more to do with Batman than any of Burton or Nolan’s movies.
I think the movie is a ton of fun, the dialog is a riot, and all of the actors are clearly having a great time with it. I’d probably put it after Mask of the Phantasm, 60’s Batman, and Batman Returns in my list of favorite Batman movies (which doesn’t yet include Dark Knight, since I’ve only seen it once; waiting for some time to pass on that one).
I think that most criticisms of it are unfair and miss the point of the movie.
[/QUOTE]
And I think that the movies you cite (apart from Mask) miss the point of Batman.
You and I clearly want different things from Batman. To you, he’s more in line with, I dunno, Booster Gold and Plastic-man.
I’m not exactly a fan of the later movies, but I’m not too fond of the first two either. There are parts of the second one that are great (let Tim Burton play and something good will pop out), but in general I find them too light to be dark and too dark to be light.
[/QUOTE]
Burton’s movies always have the same intagible feel of taking LSD at an evil amusement park. I’m not sure it worked with Batman. I just caught the older one with Catwoman (THAT’S how you wear a leather bodysuit) and the Penguin. They really are kind of campy.
But let me understand this. People are upset at Arnold for busting out lame one-liners? Um…have you not SEEN an Arnold Schwartzenigger movie?
Keaton was Batman. Every one else was trying to play Keaton. They missed.
Batman Begins was the first movie where no attempt was made to be a Keatonized Batman . It was very good…
And Weirddave, how much outcry would there have been if there had been nipples on her costume! Immediate R rating! How obscene! :p(I corrected spelling of my name in an edit)
[/QUOTE]
R shcmar. I’m talking about what is universally RIGHT.
[QUOTE=VarlosZ]
I don’t think I’ll be inviting you to any of my parties.
[/QUOTE]
Why not? With standards that low, he’ll laugh at anything you say, you could appear to be quite the wit.
“Knock Knock”
Part of it is also context. When Batman 4 came out, the Animated Series was still running. A LOT of Batman fans thought that the animated series had Got It Right - or at least had come close. The Animated Series had a emotionally cold, almost mechanical Mr. Freeze - and there was some fan discussion about how Patrick Stewart would be wonderful in that role. And they got campy Arnold.
There are many takes on Batman - and they run from campy to tortured. There are many takes on Batman villians - from campy to tortured. I like my Joker with more camp than Heath Ledger’s Joker, but I like my Batman brooding and my Catwoman witty, and I don’t mind Robin at all. Those aren’t opinions held by all.
)
