# Why the hate for Windows 10? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 22, 2015, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hate-for-windows-10/738260 "2015-11-22T02:57:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hate-for-windows-10/738260/21 "2015-11-23T00:25:52Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > They all seemed to be pretty reasonable: anonymous bug reporting, cloud memory for Cortana, etc. I’m still on 7, but I’m about to buy a new laptop and I think one of the criteria is going to be one that has 8.1. I don’t want Cortana. I don’t want updates that install at an inconvenient time for me. I don’t want personalized ads. I don’t want cloud computing in any way, shape or form. I don’t want Microsoft to feel able to help itself to anything on my computer at any time for any reason. If I do get stuck buying a Windows 10 computer, I suspect that I will use my install disc for 7. ---
**Author:** ![TimeWinder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@TimeWinder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeWinder)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hate-for-windows-10/738260/22 "2015-11-23T00:39:01Z")
> [@SantaMan](#): > > My biggest hesitation is the fact that i would not be able to control when/if updates occur. This is a large number of bad apples spoiling it for everybody. There’s a lot of malware–some of it serious–being spread by components that were already patched, often months or years ago. When given the option to “install now or later,” a far-too-large number of people will choose “later” FOREVER (or turn off updates altogether), with repercussions for everyone who shares a network or Internet with them. There’s no way to win, so the best answer seems to be “let them delay for a while, but then make it happen.” If you can come up with a better alternative, I’m sure Microsoft would love to hear about it. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hate-for-windows-10/738260/23 "2015-11-23T00:46:48Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > I don’t want Cortana. I don’t want updates that install at an inconvenient time for me. I don’t want personalized ads. I don’t want cloud computing in any way, shape or form. I don’t want Microsoft to feel able to help itself to anything on my computer at any time for any reason. I have a computer that I upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10 a few months ago. I don’t use Cortana. I don’t see any of the personalized ads you’re referring to. I don’t use cloud computing (although I use Mozy to back up the computer, but I was doing that before I upgraded to Windows 10). I’m not sure what you mean about Microsoft helping itself to anything on my computer. I don’t really care about the updates; I think the default time is about 3am one day a week or month. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hate-for-windows-10/738260/24 "2015-11-23T00:52:31Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I think the default time is about 3am one day a week or month. I can’t remember the last time my computer was turned on at 3 am. ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hate-for-windows-10/738260/25 "2015-11-23T11:18:55Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > I can’t remember the last time my computer was turned on at 3 am. You should be putting your PC to “sleep” most of the time instead of Turning it off. That way it can wake to install updates and go back into standby. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hate-for-windows-10/738260/26 "2015-11-23T11:37:31Z")
> [@Cabin\_Fever](#): > > Why the vitriol? On tech sites I visit, Windows 10 has been generally well received. However, a big issue is the huge amount and types of data that it sends back to Microsoft. Microsoft is trying to change its licencing model from a one-off payment to a service-based model (q.v. Office 365) and it’s a tricky journey. One preview build of W10 had advertisements built-in, for instance. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hate-for-windows-10/738260/27 "2015-11-23T12:51:55Z")
> [@TimeWinder](#): > > This is a large number of bad apples spoiling it for everybody. There’s a lot of malware–some of it serious–being spread by components that were already patched, often months or years ago. When given the option to “install now or later,” a far-too-large number of people will choose “later” FOREVER (or turn off updates altogether), with repercussions for everyone who shares a network or Internet with them. > > There’s no way to win, so the best answer seems to be “let them delay for a while, but then make it happen.” If you can come up with a better alternative, I’m sure Microsoft would love to hear about it. No, the solution is to actually prioritize making updates that don’t require restarting your computer. I can’t believe it actually got worse instead of better. AT least in in Windows 7 I occasionally saw updates that didn’t need a restart. Now they all do. They went to so much trouble to make the OS stable enough to continue running for months at a time, but then they want a restart every couple of weeks. They expect us to shut down programs instead of leaving them open, when we’ve got all this memory to keep them open. I realize that some updates really can’t ever be made to work without restarting. But there are plenty that could be applied in place. Those should be the priority. And there should be a push to limit those that can’t. Stop with all these incremental changes to the kernel, for instance. ---
**Author:** ![Krouget](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b38774/32.png) [@Krouget](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krouget)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hate-for-windows-10/738260/28 "2015-11-23T13:01:34Z")
I haven’t seen much hate for Windows 10, myself (though I’ve also not been actively looking). The update process had a few areas where I think it could’ve been smoother, and as someone said, the default privacy selections earned some criticism, but overall it’s been fine (I came from Windows 7). I think Windows 8 tried to be too many things and didn’t serve the desktop realm as nicely as it could have. On tablets and such, it seemed to work better, but I’m perfectly fine with the transition to 10 and don’t see a huge departure from 7. All in all, I’ve had very minor issues and a generally good experience. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hate-for-windows-10/738260/29 "2015-11-23T21:59:42Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > No, the solution is to actually prioritize making updates that don’t require restarting your computer. I can’t believe it actually got worse instead of better. AT least in in Windows 7 I occasionally saw updates that didn’t need a restart. Now they all do. > > They went to so much trouble to make the OS stable enough to continue running for months at a time, but then they want a restart every couple of weeks. They expect us to shut down programs instead of leaving them open, when we’ve got all this memory to keep them open. > > I realize that some updates really can’t ever be made to work without restarting. But there are plenty that could be applied in place. Those should be the priority. And there should be a push to limit those that can’t. Stop with all these incremental changes to the kernel, for instance. Good point. We definitely did seem to be moving away from the restarts at one point, but now its back for nearly everything. A well-designed, layered, modular OS really should hardly ever need a full restart of the machine. Windows isn’t exactly that OS, but I think the current restart regime is probably just lazy. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hate-for-windows-10/738260/30 "2015-11-24T08:07:48Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#): > > I am not having any problem with this. What is the problem you’re having? Some are sideways. There doesn’t appear to be a rhyme or reason. It’s just how they’re displayed and doesn’t alter the actual picture. I work with pics quite a lot and it’s annoying. ---
**Author:** ![Habeed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a587f6/32.png) [@Habeed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Habeed)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hate-for-windows-10/738260/31 "2015-11-24T08:52:13Z")
Windows 10 has several nasty gotchas 1. It’s supposed to be the “last” version of Windows. What this allegedly means is that at a certain point, Microsoft plans to start charging for updates and you’ll have to buy a Windows subscription or be at the mercy of hackers. 2. DPI rescaling. Windows 10 DPI-aware apps look heavenly on a high definition display. The text looks amazing, the vector graphics really pop. But most apps are not DPI-aware, and for whatever reason, the scaling method Microsoft choose makes everything look horrifically blurry. You can “fix” this by switching scaling to either 100 or 200 percent, but then you make less efficient use of your available pixels… 3. Updates. If you don’t have Pro, you are forced to update when Microsoft chooses, and I think the reboots are mandatory. You cannot turn this feature off without hacking. Fun. (I have Pro so I have only heard about this problem in passing) 4. Ads on the start menu. With all that said, did you like Windows 7? Windows 10 is like that but slightly better. The various integral OS features are a little slicker, a little cleaner feeling, with much better looking visuals. I haven’t noticed any productivity difference, really - faster boot times and slicker search is negated by driver compatibility problems with older development tools. Basically a wash. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hate-for-windows-10/738260/32 "2015-11-24T11:16:13Z")
> [@dzeiger](#): > > There was a lot of flak given about the default privacy policies, but that’s about it. > > Unless you write for Breitbart, in which case you hate it because of the [Built-in Communism](http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/11/18/conservatives-avoid-windows-10/) …Are these people completely fucking high? Like, every single time I see something like this I shake my head and laugh, but this seems _even more retarded than usual_. Or maybe it’s just because I actually care about technology, as opposed to, yanno, people. Either way, this article is just absolutely stunning for me. _Really_? “We’re going to oppose this great technological advancement because _it seems a Little like Communism_”?! I’m just completely at a loss here. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hate-for-windows-10/738260/33 "2015-11-24T16:35:35Z")
They won’t give up on the tiles thing, it is hard to find so many things, default settings use _your_ Internet connection to share updates with other Windows users, default settings have a lot of privacy concerns, default color customization options are worse than Win7 or WinXP. I worked on one machine that insists on having a black task bar with dark gray text. But it is fast and stable, and better than Vista or 8. Not better than 7. ---
**Author:** ![Macca26](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/13edae/32.png) [@Macca26](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Macca26)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hate-for-windows-10/738260/34 "2015-11-24T17:03:55Z")
The forced updates have been a surprising sticking point with me. My husband upgraded his laptop and is on a home edition of Windows 10. Friday night, we want to watch something off the laptop and as soon as he turns it on to do so - booong, it’s time to update! You put it off once so we’re doing it now! Oh, well, I guess we’ll wait to watch things, then. The worst thing is it takes time to realize this so we’re already 3 minutes into whatever we wanted to see and THEN it pops up with an un-delay-able prompt. And it keeps happening even if we try to change the scheduled time because we have no schedule where we know we’ll never be doing anything at X o’clock but also remember to have it on. And personally, apparently they don’t care about Surface Pro 2 support since it’s more than a year old now, even though it’s their own hardware. If I upgraded to Win10 there’d be display driver issues and I can’t deal with that. I need my computer working 100%. It’s been a known issue to them for months and no fix. At this rate, I wouldn’t even trust the fix so my Surface Pro 2 will probably never leave Win8.1. Which is fine anyway, it works great for me. It just feels weird to not upgrade on purpose. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hate-for-windows-10/738260.md?page=1)