# Why the hatred of Hillary? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 26, 2007, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080 "2007-10-26T05:24:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Plan\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Plan\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plan_B)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2007, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/241 "2007-11-09T02:02:45Z")
I don’t think it matters much if conservatives or liberals give more. The fact is that _Americans_ give an awful lot every year. It goes into the hundreds of billions every year. And that doesn’t even begin to take into account all the labor that’s donated, which is obviously a much higher number. And anyone who’s ever spent any time receiving government handouts can tell you what a depressing experience it is. Private charity is handled much more efficiently and with much more dignity. But we should get back to the main theme of this thread anyway. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2007, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/242 "2007-11-09T02:57:08Z")
[QUOTE=Leaper] Interesting [polling](http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-11-07-clinton-poll_N.htm) here. Interesting parts include numbers on folks who say they’d NEVER vote for her: 84% of Republicans (duh), a little over half of married men (hmmmmm…) and about a third of all women (double hmmm). The article hints that Democrats are getting nervous by numbers like this… Wonder what they’ll actually DO about it… [/QUOTE] Surely [not this.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=9158599) Right? Actually, I posted that after a discussion with someone bemoaning the Dems’ chances with her as the candidate and facetiously suggesting that as the only way to stop the juggernaut. ---
**Author:** ![ManiacMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b782af/32.png) [@ManiacMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ManiacMan)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/243 "2007-11-11T00:09:10Z")
[http://web.grinnell.edu/sandb/questions.html](http://web.grinnell.edu/sandb/questions.html) > [@](#): > > Before the event began, a Clinton staff member approached Gallo-Chasanoff to ask a specific question after Clinton’s speech. “One of the senior staffers told me what [to ask],” she said. > [@](#): > > “It’s not a practice of our campaign to ask people to ask specific questions,” said Mark Daley, Clinton’s Iowa Communications Director. Daley said that when an event is focusing on a specific topic, such as health care or Iraq, “people are encouraged to ask questions in these regards,” but denied that they are given specific questions. > > But when directly asked if his statements meant that planting does not occur in the Hillary campaign, Daley could only say, “ **to the best of my knowledge**.” 😛 What a joke… ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/244 "2007-11-11T02:51:08Z")
[QUOTE=ManiacMan] What a joke… [/QUOTE] Well, if they did do this, it seems to be something they learned from the Bush Administration who [has apparently planted fake news stories in the press](http://digg.com/politics/Bush_planted_fake_news_stories_on_American_TV_2), [may have used a fake reporter in the White House press briefings](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gannon) (or, at the very least allowed themselves to be used in a somewhat symbiotic relationship by this person). And, [under the Administration’s management, FEMA apparently held a completely fake news conference during the California wildfires](http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/10/26/433236.aspx) (although they did at least quickly try to distance themselves from this FEMA decision once it was discovered). Of course, it is also widely acknowledged that Bush has generally gone to such lengths to appear and answer questions only for generally friendly audiences that he had quite a bit of difficulty in dealing with actual tough questions when he was finally asked them. (I seem to recall The Daily Show assembling some of the questions that Bush has been asked before these friendly audiences and contrasting it to what Tony Blair faced in the British Parliament…It was quite hilarious.) ---
**Author:** ![Plan\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Plan\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plan_B)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/245 "2007-11-11T04:03:50Z")
[QUOTE=jshore] Well, if they did do this, it seems to be something they learned from the Bush Administration who … [/QUOTE] This is totally irrelevant to the thread. The title says nothing about GWB, who BTW, probably will not be running in 2008. And you cite no evidence that GWB ever planted a question for a press conference or other event. And further, to hold him responsible for what someone under him did, is illogical in that HC has never had administrative experience. HC showed a lack of character here; don’t turn this around to blame GWB for it. What makes this worse is that this is the second time she’s done this. Which means she’s not only lacking in character but that she’s not too bright. Oh, did I mention that she got caught the first time? ---
**Author:** ![ManiacMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b782af/32.png) [@ManiacMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ManiacMan)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/246 "2007-11-11T04:39:36Z")
[QUOTE=jshore] Well, if they did do this, it seems to be something they learned from the Bush Administration who [has apparently planted fake news stories in the press](http://digg.com/politics/Bush_planted_fake_news_stories_on_American_TV_2), [may have used a fake reporter in the White House press briefings](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gannon) (or, at the very least allowed themselves to be used in a somewhat symbiotic relationship by this person). And, [under the Administration’s management, FEMA apparently held a completely fake news conference during the California wildfires](http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/10/26/433236.aspx) (although they did at least quickly try to distance themselves from this FEMA decision once it was discovered). Of course, it is also widely acknowledged that Bush has generally gone to such lengths to appear and answer questions only for generally friendly audiences that he had quite a bit of difficulty in dealing with actual tough questions when he was finally asked them. (I seem to recall The Daily Show assembling some of the questions that Bush has been asked before these friendly audiences and contrasting it to what Tony Blair faced in the British Parliament…It was quite hilarious.) [/QUOTE] pfft… :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/247 "2007-11-11T18:13:41Z")
[QUOTE=jshore] Well, if they did do this, it seems to be something they learned from the Bush Administration who [has apparently planted fake news stories in the press](http://digg.com/politics/Bush_planted_fake_news_stories_on_American_TV_2), [may have used a fake reporter in the White House press briefings](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gannon) (or, at the very least allowed themselves to be used in a somewhat symbiotic relationship by this person). And, [under the Administration’s management, FEMA apparently held a completely fake news conference during the California wildfires](http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/10/26/433236.aspx) (although they did at least quickly try to distance themselves from this FEMA decision once it was discovered). Of course, it is also widely acknowledged that Bush has generally gone to such lengths to appear and answer questions only for generally friendly audiences that he had quite a bit of difficulty in dealing with actual tough questions when he was finally asked them. (I seem to recall The Daily Show assembling some of the questions that Bush has been asked before these friendly audiences and contrasting it to what Tony Blair faced in the British Parliament…It was quite hilarious.) [/QUOTE] Oh please. :rolleyes: I despise Bush, but this is pathetic. The behavior, the parsing of language, the unwillingness to admit as true something transparently proven–it’s what I’ve grown to hate about this current administration, but something HRC seems perfectly willing to do as well. Newsflash Hilary: I don’t dislike Bush because he’s Bush. I dislike him because of the things he does and what those things represent (about his attitude towards me and this country). Just because I may agree more with HRC policy-wise than I do Bush doesn’t somehow make this behavior more acceptable. It’s incidents like this, even seemingly [minor ones](http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/11/9/181933/438) that, as stand-alones, may not amount to much, but cumulatively make me distrust her on a variety of levels. The overreaching of “Executive Priviledge” has been shameful and egregious over these last 6+ years, and there is no Democratic candidate I trust less to stand on principle and scale back these abuses, instead of willfully taking advantage of their convenient precedence, than her. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/248 "2007-11-11T18:18:04Z")
[QUOTE=jshore] Well, if they did do this, it seems to be something they learned from the Bush Administration who [has apparently planted fake news stories in the press](http://digg.com/politics/Bush_planted_fake_news_stories_on_American_TV_2), [may have used a fake reporter in the White House press briefings](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gannon) (or, at the very least allowed themselves to be used in a somewhat symbiotic relationship by this person). And, [under the Administration’s management, FEMA apparently held a completely fake news conference during the California wildfires](http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/10/26/433236.aspx) (although they did at least quickly try to distance themselves from this FEMA decision once it was discovered). [/quote] Is following a bad example any excuse? Besides, it raises the question of what **else** HRC might have learned from the Bush Admin – subverting the Constitution, invoking executive privilege, expanded powers during “wartime,” the unitary executive theory . . . ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/249 "2007-11-11T18:59:40Z")
**ArchiveGuy** and **BrainGlutton** : I don’t disagree with you guys. I think it is disturbing what Hillary seems to have learned from the current Administration…and she certainly isn’t my choice amongst the current crop of Democrats. However, I find it a bit amusing to watch people sympathetic to Bush (like **ManiacMan** and **Plan B** ) get so appalled by this. I think John Edwards [got it about right](http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/11/10/459979.aspx): > [@](#): > > “George Bush goes to events that are staged, where people are screened, where they’re only allowed to ask questions if the questions are favorable to George Bush and set up in his favor,” he said. “That’s not the way democracy works in Iowa, and that’s not the way it works in New Hampshire.” ---
**Author:** ![Plan\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Plan\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plan_B)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2007, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/250 "2007-11-12T04:22:33Z")
[QUOTE=jshore] **ArchiveGuy** and **BrainGlutton** : However, I find it a bit amusing to watch people sympathetic to Bush (like **ManiacMan** and **Plan B** ) get so appalled by this. [/QUOTE] I’m not appalled, nor am I angry as stated before. I just think it’s really dumb to do what she did, get caught, and do the same dumb thing the next day. And it shows a lack of character. But the lack of character part is hardly in doubt. There is some question about how smart she is. ---
**Author:** ![ManiacMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b782af/32.png) [@ManiacMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ManiacMan)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2007, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/251 "2007-11-12T06:19:36Z")
Oh give me a break… As if HRC “learned” some bad habits from the current administration…you really think that she is or was some babe-in-the-woods who “learned” bad things from GWB and his administration? She is an innocent little baby? Monkey-see, monkey-do? You can’t be serious… ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2007, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/252 "2007-11-12T07:20:11Z")
Well, during the Clinton sex scandals, conservatives argued that the President was a role model to young people when it came to sex, so why not? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2007, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/253 "2007-11-12T14:21:25Z")
[QUOTE=Leaper] Well, during the Clinton sex scandals, conservatives argued that the President was a role model to young people when it came to sex, so why not? 🙂 [/QUOTE] And as a young person during that time, the things I learned from President Clinton were: 1. People in positions of power have a much easier time getting some 2. If you’re going to keep cheating on your wife, at least make sure the women are moderately attractive ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2007, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/254 "2007-11-12T15:21:12Z")
[QUOTE=asterion] And as a young person during that time, the things I learned from President Clinton were: 1. People in positions of power have a much easier time getting some 2. If you’re going to keep cheating on your wife, at least make sure the women are moderately attractive [/QUOTE] It is wisely written! Eternal wisdom from Guru Bubba! ---
**Author:** ![ManiacMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b782af/32.png) [@ManiacMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ManiacMan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2007, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/255 "2007-11-13T19:01:13Z")
> **[Student describes how she became a Clinton plant - CNN.com](http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/13/clinton.planted/index.html)** > > The college student who was told what question to ask at one of New York Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign events said "voters have the right to know what happened" and she wasn't the only one who was planted. So if anything bad happens to this young lady I guess we know who to blame. ---
**Author:** ![ManiacMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b782af/32.png) [@ManiacMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ManiacMan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2007, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/256 "2007-11-13T19:05:44Z")
[QUOTE=asterion] And as a young person during that time, the things I learned from President Clinton were: 1. People in positions of power have a much easier time getting some 2. If you’re going to keep cheating on your wife, at least make sure the women are moderately attractive [/QUOTE] Point 2… Hmm well it’s been argued that that is why Clinton chose unattractive women to sexually prey upon. He and his cronies could always just smirk and say that he is not into “skanks” thereby easily refuting the allegations of any sexual harassment. It would be like Brad Pitt grabbing Courtney Love’s ass…who would believe it since she is such a skank… I call it the “skank-defense”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080.md?page=12)