# Why the hatred of Hillary? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 26, 2007, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080 "2007-10-26T05:24:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/161 "2007-11-01T14:28:59Z")
[QUOTE=Plan B] Violations of campaign finance laws, which leads to suspicions of bribery. [/QUOTE] Is it, strictly speaking, illegal for candidates to accept contributions from foreigners? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/162 "2007-11-01T14:30:35Z")
[QUOTE=Plan B] I just heard a new quote. HC: “At Christmas we celebrate the birth of a homeless person.” Which happens to be an outright lie. [/QUOTE] More in the nature of hyperbole. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/163 "2007-11-01T15:56:20Z")
[QUOTE=Plan B] And that this is an amazingly great and powerful country that has survived much worse than HC would ever do to it. [/QUOTE] Indeed…And, thank God we only a little more than a year of a President who has done much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much worse than HC would ever do to it. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/164 "2007-11-01T16:08:01Z")
[QUOTE=Plan B] Lying about how her daughter was almost killed on 9/11 because she had once jogged downtown. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Plan B] [http://www.wnyc.org/blog/lehrer/archives/000064.html](http://www.wnyc.org/blog/lehrer/archives/000064.html) [/quote] I invite readers of this thread to read that article that **Plan B** himself linked to as a cite of his claim when pressed and then decide who has fibbed the most in describing this whole incident…HC or **Plan B** in his original description given above. Man, you Clinton-haters are almost enough to make those of us who are no big fans of hers (and will almost certainly vote for someone else in the primary) vote for her just to spite you! ---
**Author:** ![Bobotheoptimist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/919ad9/32.png) [@Bobotheoptimist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bobotheoptimist)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/165 "2007-11-01T16:11:45Z")
[QUOTE=jshore] Indeed…And, thank God we only a little more than a year of a President who has done much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much worse than HC would ever do to it. [/QUOTE] And? Should we go ahead and elect Cheney because even _he_ would be better than Dubya? Or is it too much to ask for a candidate that doesn’t suck? ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/166 "2007-11-01T18:44:42Z")
[QUOTE=Plan B] It’s about Spitzer’s driver’s license plan for illegals. Taking a cue from John Kerry, since it worked so well for him, apparently she was for it before she was against it. Even John Edwards accused her of being disingenous. [http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/627844,CST-NWS-sweet31.article](http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/627844,CST-NWS-sweet31.article) This is a good thread. Every day there’s a new reason to hate HC. [/QUOTE] What she said was that it was a sensible reaction to the problem, and that she did not endorse it. Somtimes it’s possible to disagree with a policy without saying there’s no justification for it. [QUOTE=Patty O’Furniture] And as for the recent polling trends on Hillary versus Rudy, think back to 1991 when Bush 1’s approval rating was in the upper 60% range and then Governor Bill Clinton was polling in the 20’s - only a year before election day. [/QUOTE] This is true, although in those days hardly anyone knew anything about Bill Clinton. Very few people would say that about Hilary now. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/167 "2007-11-01T21:08:17Z")
[QUOTE=Bobotheoptimist] And? Should we go ahead and elect Cheney because even _he_ would be better than Dubya? Or is it too much to ask for a candidate that doesn’t suck? [/QUOTE] It is, at any rate, not too much to ask for a candidate who is not a Republican. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2007, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/168 "2007-11-02T00:26:20Z")
[QUOTE=Plan B] her negatives just reached 50%, and they are rising as people get to know her better. [/QUOTE] Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Plan\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Plan\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plan_B)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2007, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/169 "2007-11-02T00:45:58Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] “Major investigations” are warranted only on suspicion of illegality. (Investigations by government, that is, which is what I think you mean; journalists may investigate anything that might be embarrassing.) WRT campaign contributions from “Chinese interests,” what crime do you see? [/QUOTE] Sorry I was busy adding to the economy this AM and didn’t have time to dig this up: [http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1007/6643.html](http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1007/6643.html) ---
**Author:** ![Plan\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Plan\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plan_B)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2007, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/170 "2007-11-02T00:48:49Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] More in the nature of hyperbole. [/QUOTE] Please explain this one. Maybe I don’t remember the definition of hyperbole, maybe I forgot the difference between a traveler and a homeless person. But I just don’t get this one at all. ---
**Author:** ![Plan\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Plan\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plan_B)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2007, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/171 "2007-11-02T00:52:43Z")
[QUOTE=foolsguinea] Cite? [/QUOTE] This isn’t the article I was thinking of but it’s a start. Here the negatives are 52%. But if you google “hillary negatives” you’ll get a lot of possibilities. Sorry I don’t have time now. [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/04/huge\_increase\_in\_hillarys\_nega.html](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/04/huge_increase_in_hillarys_nega.html) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2007, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/172 "2007-11-02T01:14:38Z")
[QUOTE=Plan B] Please explain this one. Maybe I don’t remember the definition of hyperbole, maybe I forgot the difference between a traveler and a homeless person. But I just don’t get this one at all. [/QUOTE] Jesus’ family (in that highly questionable story – there was no Empire-wide census in the relevant time period and the Romans certainly never required people to return to their ancestral homes for census purposes) was homeless **at the moment,** and forced by circumstances to bed down in a stable. Christians have based moral points on that for centuries – see [“The Wife of Bath’s Tale.”](http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~chaucer/teachslf/wbt-par.htm#TALE) > [@](#): > > 1177 "And ther as ye of poverte me repreeve, > "And whereas you reprove me for poverty, > 1178 The hye God, on whom that we bileeve, > The high God, on whom we believe, > 1179 In wilful poverte chees to lyve his lyf. > In voluntary poverty chose to live his life. > 1180 And certes every man, mayden, or wyf > And certainly every man, maiden, or woman > 1181 May understonde that Jhesus, hevene kyng, > Can understand that Jesus, heaven’s king, > 1182 Ne wolde nat chese a vicious lyvyng. > Would not choose a vicious form of living. HRC’s statement in question is no fundamentally different. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2007, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/173 "2007-11-02T01:38:01Z")
> [@](#): > > Why the hatred of Hillary? Oh, where to start? How about the fact that she is a rabid socialist? How about the fact that she is a liar (remember the Rose Law Firm billing records? Remember Castle Grande? Remember Travelgate?). How about the fact that she is morally and ethically challenged? Pretty much anyone else would have kicked Bill’s ass to the curb over Monica and his other women, but not Hillary. She knew that if she did, her political aspirations would go bye-bye. There are other reasons, but those will do for now. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2007, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/174 "2007-11-02T01:44:01Z")
[QUOTE=Clothahump] How about the fact that she is a rabid socialist? [/quote] :rolleyes: **If only!** She is the most right-leaning Dem in the field. She’s a founding member of the motherfucking **Democratic Leadership Council,** for Og’s sake! She is no more a socialist than Giuliani or Romney. [QUOTE=Clothahump] How about the fact that she is morally and ethically challenged? Pretty much anyone else would have kicked Bill’s ass to the curb over Monica and his other women . . . [/QUOTE] Perhaps, but no one would have been morally or ethically obligated to do so. In moral terms, shouldn’t she be applauded for her forbearance? ---
**Author:** ![Emilio\_Lizardo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Emilio\_Lizardo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emilio_Lizardo)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2007, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/175 "2007-11-02T02:24:53Z")
[QUOTE=Clothahump] How about the fact that she is morally and ethically challenged? Pretty much anyone else would have kicked Bill’s ass to the curb over Monica and his other women . . . [/QUOTE] Excuse me? I’m still married to a woman who cheated on me. Are you telling me that I’m “morally and ethically challenged”? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2007, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/176 "2007-11-02T02:28:28Z")
[QUOTE=Emilio Lizardo] Excuse me? I’m still married to a woman who cheated on me. Are you telling me that I’m “morally and ethically challenged”? [/QUOTE] He was, but not intentionally; sometimes when you sling mud, it spatters a little. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2007, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/177 "2007-11-02T03:12:34Z")
[QUOTE=Clothahump] How about the fact that she is morally and ethically challenged? Pretty much anyone else would have kicked Bill’s ass to the curb over Monica and his other women, but not Hillary. She knew that if she did, her political aspirations would go bye-bye. [/QUOTE] So she’d be in the clear if she’d gotten a divorce, then? Didn’t she do the right thing, morally, ‘standing by her man’? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2007, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/178 "2007-11-02T03:30:48Z")
[QUOTE=Emilio Lizardo] Excuse me? I’m still married to a woman who cheated on me. Are you telling me that I’m “morally and ethically challenged”? [/QUOTE] I predict he’ll say you’re not, because you stayed because you love her, not because you wanted to get ahead in life. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2007, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/179 "2007-11-02T03:49:32Z")
[QUOTE=Leaper] I predict he’ll say you’re not, because you stayed because you love her, not because you wanted to get ahead in life. [/QUOTE] I predict he’ll say nothing. [**Clothahump** rarely follows up on his posts.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=414639) ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2007, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080/180 "2007-11-02T13:02:35Z")
> [@Plan B](#): > > Even John Edwards accused her of being disingenous. Sorry, this is bugging me now. _Even_ John Edwards accused her of being disingenuous? _Even_ her opponent? _Even_ the man who can’t succeed without her campaign melting down? Whoa. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-hatred-of-hillary/424080.md?page=10)