# Why The Incessant harping On the Crusades? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 8, 2015, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-incessant-harping-on-the-crusades/739823 "2015-12-08T15:46:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![botsgotme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@botsgotme](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/botsgotme)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-incessant-harping-on-the-crusades/739823/1 "2015-12-08T15:46:58Z")
Why do muslim scholars endlessly whine about the Crusades? I find it quite bizarre, because: -the Crusades took place hundreds of years ago, the early ones almost 1000 years ago -the Crusaders were reacting to a muslim/islamist invasion from Arabia (the Crusdaers had just as much right to the area as the arabs did) -atrocities were committed by both sides Plus, mohammed never said that Jerusalem was anyplace special-his “holy” city was mecca. So why the endless whining about this long-in-the past events? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-incessant-harping-on-the-crusades/739823/2 "2015-12-08T16:09:01Z")
Where are you endlessly seeing this whining? Why were you able to capitalize “Crusades”, “Crusaders” and “Jerusalem”, but not “muslim”, “mohammed” or “mecca”? ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-incessant-harping-on-the-crusades/739823/3 "2015-12-08T16:10:33Z")
Because when you can’t get your stuff together its nice to be able to blame the past for your current problems. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-incessant-harping-on-the-crusades/739823/4 "2015-12-08T17:10:21Z")
Just what I thought. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-incessant-harping-on-the-crusades/739823/5 "2015-12-08T17:14:00Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Just what I thought. Have nothing to add then? ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-incessant-harping-on-the-crusades/739823/6 "2015-12-08T17:15:12Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Just what I thought. Well assuming that was aimed at me. Let me say your first post was pretty much what I expected from you for that matter. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-incessant-harping-on-the-crusades/739823/7 "2015-12-08T17:19:10Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Have nothing to add then? What’s to add? I’m asking for evidence from the OP, and asking about the curious capitalization errors he made. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-incessant-harping-on-the-crusades/739823/8 "2015-12-08T17:21:14Z")
Yeah, you are curious. Just like conspiracy folks are “just asking questions”. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-incessant-harping-on-the-crusades/739823/9 "2015-12-08T17:21:38Z")
I suspect they view a bunch of Christians coming over and trying to take over the “Holy Land” as we do a bunch of Muslims taking over Spain. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-incessant-harping-on-the-crusades/739823/10 "2015-12-08T17:21:42Z")
> [@botsgotme](#): > > …mohammed never said that Jerusalem was anyplace special-his “holy” city was mecca. Muslims believe that Mohamed ascended to heaven from Jerusalem, which would make it a pretty special place. It’s possible to have two holy places in one religion - or even three or four! As for the rest of your post, I’m with **Czarcasm** : \*where \*is this “endless whining”? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-incessant-harping-on-the-crusades/739823/11 "2015-12-08T17:23:06Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Well assuming that was aimed at me. Nope. > [@](#): > > Let me say your first post was pretty much what I expected from you for that matter. Not assuming claims of such nature without a smidgen of evidence, and noticing possible slurs disguised as grammatical errors? Yep. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-incessant-harping-on-the-crusades/739823/12 "2015-12-08T17:26:15Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I suspect they view a bunch of Christians coming over and trying to take over the “Holy Land” as we do a bunch of Muslims taking over Spain. The Spanish economy is pretty terrible right now. Some foreign investment would be nice. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-incessant-harping-on-the-crusades/739823/13 "2015-12-08T17:26:32Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Yeah, you are curious. Just like conspiracy folks are “just asking questions”. I thought conspiracy folks were those that jumped on the bandwagon without asking to see any evidence, because they are told something they want to believe: > [@billfish678](#): > > Because when you can’t get your stuff together its nice to be able to blame the past for your current problems. Your first response, I believe. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-incessant-harping-on-the-crusades/739823/14 "2015-12-08T17:28:07Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > As for the rest of your post, I’m with **Czarcasm** : \*where \*is this “endless whining”? Well, one can define “endless” whining in many different ways. But I’ll say this. When it comes to Muslims (well some small fraction of muslims with access to the media), I sure hear about the crusades a hell of a lot more than I suspect I should. If all the Muslims in the world had been wiped out in 1776 I doubt I’d have heard about the crusades anymore once I left college, because I doubt many of the southern baptists around here would be reminding me of it. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-incessant-harping-on-the-crusades/739823/15 "2015-12-08T17:29:10Z")
Do you spend a lot of time reading Islamic scholarly periodicals or websites? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-incessant-harping-on-the-crusades/739823/16 "2015-12-08T17:31:38Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Well, one can define “endless” whining in many different ways. > > But I’ll say this. When it comes to Muslims (well some small fraction of muslims with access to the media), I sure hear about the crusades a hell of a lot more than I suspect I should. > > If all the Muslims in the world had been wiped out in 1776 I doubt I’d have heard about the crusades anymore once I left college, because I doubt many of the southern baptists around here would be reminding me of it. Whatever. Where are all these Muslims you are hearing it from? edited to add: And why are _you_ hearing it so often? ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-incessant-harping-on-the-crusades/739823/17 "2015-12-08T17:31:50Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Your first response, I believe. Man, you really are on top of things. Your first response was accusatory snark under the guise of something something. Mine was an actual statement of why I think the crusades are something someone is still bitching about way too long later. Yeah, its was simplistic and probably not politcally correct, but it way ahead of your insightful comment. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-incessant-harping-on-the-crusades/739823/18 "2015-12-08T17:33:10Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Whatever. Where are all these Muslims you are hearing it from? Uh the news? The internet? The voices in my head don’t talk about this stuff you know. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-incessant-harping-on-the-crusades/739823/19 "2015-12-08T17:34:49Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Man, you really are on top of things. > > Your first response was accusatory snark under the guise of something something. > > Mine was an actual statement of why I think the crusades are something someone is still bitching about way too long later. Yeah, its was simplistic and probably not politcally correct, but it way ahead of your insightful comment. And like the OP who ran off, you _still_ haven’t provided any evidence to support the premise of this thread. Got any? ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-incessant-harping-on-the-crusades/739823/20 "2015-12-08T17:37:03Z")
Westerners act proud of their short memories, especially of things they should be ashamed of doing. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-incessant-harping-on-the-crusades/739823.md?page=2)