# Why the venom for Hillary? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 5, 2017, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-venom-for-hillary/800744 "2017-11-05T02:16:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2017, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-venom-for-hillary/800744/162 "2017-11-25T19:17:11Z")
> [@razncain](#): > > I dislike Hillary, but don’t hate her. … All fine and dandy she evolved, but she’s not a very good liar … You’d prefer a politician who _is_ a very good liar? 😕 > [@razncain](#): > > Well, concerning the Uranium deal … Breibart News…Stephan Bannon of Breibart News. It uses much of its money from the billionaires Robert Mercer along with the Koch brothers. So not sure how much of it is really about government accountability after all, but just a guise for supporting far right candidates. Still “not sure”? Lies by R’s about D’s outnumber lies by D’s about R’s by at least a hundred to one. The appropriate recourse is just to _ **ignore every single thing a Republican says.** _ Drastic? Sure. But it’s the only sane way to follow politics in the new American Idiotocracy. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2017, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-venom-for-hillary/800744/163 "2017-11-25T20:48:16Z")
It’s pointless to discuss HRC’s shortcomings. It just falls on deaf ears. This is yet another therapy thread for her supporters to vent their spleens. There was only one person in the Universe capable of losing to Donald Trump and that person was chosen in the Primaries. It took cross-over votes to put Trump in office. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2017, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-venom-for-hillary/800744/164 "2017-11-25T20:51:59Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > You’d prefer a politician who _is_ a very good liar? 😕 > > Still “not sure”? Lies by R’s about D’s outnumber lies by D’s about R’s by at least a hundred to one. The appropriate recourse is just to _ **ignore every single thing a Republican says.** _ This is true. Yes, the Dems attack the GOP candidates just as much, but with ridicule, not lies. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2017, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-venom-for-hillary/800744/165 "2017-11-25T21:46:13Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > It’s pointless to discuss HRC’s shortcomings. Maybe not. You could try it sometime. > [@](#): > > This is yet another therapy thread for her supporters to vent their spleens. Really? Given the amount of factuality under discussion, it looks more like the usual Two Minutes Hate from people not yet willing to explore how they themselves bought into the Republican defamation campaign, which btw continues today. Instead, we just have the usual list of posts essentially repeating the same manufactured hatred that you’d find in a Breitbart or Fox comments section. > [@](#): > > It took cross-over votes to put Trump in office. It certainly did, and those who cast those votes have not always engaged in sufficient examination of their reasons for doing so. If that is just a criticism of Clinton for not sufficiently pandering to racism and ignorance and fear, you might be able to use a refresher on what leadership really is. ---
**Author:** ![SarahWitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@SarahWitch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SarahWitch)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-venom-for-hillary/800744/166 "2017-11-25T22:01:04Z")
> [@AI\_Proofreader](#): > > Originally Posted by SarahWitch View Post > Did ISIS cause Benghazi? > > No Then Hillary’s worse. ---
**Author:** ![SarahWitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@SarahWitch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SarahWitch)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2017, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-venom-for-hillary/800744/167 "2017-11-25T22:04:34Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > It’s pointless to discuss HRC’s shortcomings. It just falls on deaf ears. I disagree with this point: every little bit helps. It was well-heeded when Trump had the guts to put her on blast for the world to see, that they weren’t alone in despising the despicable. If he hadn’t, now she’d be in the White House and god knows what havoc she’d wreak under The Wrath of Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![SarahWitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@SarahWitch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SarahWitch)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2017, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-venom-for-hillary/800744/168 "2017-11-25T22:07:54Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > I’m imagining Hllary as President and I’m liking the idea a lot. > > We get a competent president. She will not appease totalitarians, especially the russians. They hate her. > > And it would be like a smart bomb aggravating and pissing off the exact US population that needs it. Lean in. That’s a fantasy-world. The Russian Dossier is the real one. ---
**Author:** ![SarahWitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@SarahWitch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SarahWitch)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2017, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-venom-for-hillary/800744/169 "2017-11-25T22:11:37Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Maybe not. You could try it sometime. > > Really? Given the amount of factuality under discussion, it looks more like the usual Two Minutes Hate from people not yet willing to explore how they themselves bought into the Republican defamation campaign, which btw continues today. Instead, we just have the usual list of posts essentially repeating the same manufactured hatred that you’d find in a Breitbart or Fox comments section. > > It certainly did, and those who cast those votes have not always engaged in sufficient examination of their reasons for doing so. If that is just a criticism of Clinton for not sufficiently pandering to racism and ignorance and fear, you might be able to use a refresher on what leadership really is. True, we all played our part, however small; but every little bit helps. However much “Mr. Deplorable” did on his own, he needed the rest of “The Deplorables” family-- i.e. US-- to help him save the day. After all, what do you call the person who wins by one electoral vote? PRESIDENT. And Trump won by 77. ---
**Author:** ![SarahWitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@SarahWitch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SarahWitch)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2017, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-venom-for-hillary/800744/170 "2017-11-25T22:17:55Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > We’re still waiting for a few. Nouns, not adjectives. Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt, and Cleopatra’s not the only queen of it. ---
**Author:** ![Razncain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@Razncain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Razncain)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2017, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-venom-for-hillary/800744/171 "2017-11-25T22:23:14Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > You’d prefer a politician who _is_ a very good liar? 😕 > > Still “not sure”? Lies by R’s about D’s outnumber lies by D’s about R’s by at least a hundred to one. The appropriate recourse is just to _ **ignore every single thing a Republican says.** _ Drastic? Sure. But it’s the only sane way to follow politics in the new American Idiotocracy. I only dislike HRC, I loathe Trump. I’d prefer all of them to be more honest, not concerned how good or bad of a liar any of them are, just noted she’s not a very good liar. The media should call her out on it, and they did, as well as Trump, at least the mainstream media did, with Fox, very few did, and now that he has been elected, it seems even less so by them now. [Fox News gets busted again and again blatantly fabricating news stories](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEUeDW9vA6o), which is not news to most on this board. I personally will look forward to the day, The Donald gets his, but doubt if it will ever come. He’s literally become The Teflon Don. If there’s anything honorable about him that is worthy of admiration and respect, I seemed to have missed it. ---
**Author:** ![SarahWitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@SarahWitch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SarahWitch)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2017, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-venom-for-hillary/800744/172 "2017-11-25T22:46:24Z")
> [@razncain](#): > > The media should call her out on it, and they did, as well as Trump, at least the mainstream media did, with Fox, very few did, and now that he has been elected, it seems even less so by them now. If the media were honest we wouldn’t be here on the internet, where we’re not being _paid_ to lie. Bloggers may err, but at least they’re not doing it out of malice, and tend to actually believe what they write-- unless they’re delusional, like Hillarites. The problem with almost everyone is that they’re all blind men touching the same elephant in the room, and claiming it’s something else even when a sighted person tells them otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2017, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-venom-for-hillary/800744/173 "2017-11-25T23:06:04Z")
> [@SarahWitch](#): > > If the media were honest we wouldn’t be here on the internet, where we’re not being _paid_ to lie. > Bloggers may err, but at least they’re not doing it out of malice, and tend to actually believe what they write-- unless they’re delusional, like Hillarites. > The problem with almost everyone is that they’re all blind men touching the same elephant in the room, and claiming it’s something else even when a sighted person tells them otherwise. You actually believe people aren’t being paid to lie on the internet, and the only bloggers to operate out of malice are “Hillarites”? These elephants you keep on seeing-What color would they happen to be? ---
**Author:** ![Razncain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@Razncain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Razncain)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2017, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-venom-for-hillary/800744/174 "2017-11-25T23:24:45Z")
> [@SarahWitch](#): > > Bloggers may err, but at least they’re not doing it out of malice, and tend to actually believe what they write-- unless they’re delusional, like Hillarites. I suppose for a few loyal HRC fans, she can do no harm at all, but to most Democrats that voted for her, do you find all or most of them delusional as well? What are the things you admire about Trump that you think make him an honorable man, and what do you think of his fan base? ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-venom-for-hillary/800744/175 "2017-11-26T00:32:24Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > This is true. Yes, the Dems attack the GOP candidates just as much, but with ridicule, not lies. A good portion of Dem attacks on the GOP in the last year were verbatim quotes of Republicans. Actually it’s been that way since at latest Palin. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-venom-for-hillary/800744/176 "2017-11-26T00:36:50Z")
> [@SarahWitch](#): > > That’s a fantasy-world. The Russian Dossier is the real one. “Volga Boatmen” ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-venom-for-hillary/800744/177 "2017-11-26T00:45:36Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > It’s pointless to discuss HRC’s shortcomings. It just falls on deaf ears. This is yet another therapy thread for her supporters to vent their spleens. > > There was only one person in the Universe capable of losing to Donald Trump and that person was chosen in the Primaries. > > It took cross-over votes to put Trump in office. HRC had shortcomings? I hadn’t a clue. Nobody’s mentioned that ever, especially not here. ---
**Author:** ![SarahWitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@SarahWitch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SarahWitch)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-venom-for-hillary/800744/178 "2017-11-26T02:44:57Z")
> [@razncain](#): > > I suppose for a few loyal HRC fans, she can do no harm at all, but to most Democrats that voted for her, do you find all or most of them delusional as well? Gimme a break, she’s got more skeletons in her closet than a gay haunted house. Comey was just her personal Under taker to cover up the mess. Trump was not the best choice: he was the ONLY choice. Not just regarding personal accountability, but the skyrocketing national debt that Obama hypocritically paid lip-service while “kicking the can down the road…” and bailing before the spit hit the FAN. ---
**Author:** ![SarahWitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@SarahWitch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SarahWitch)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-venom-for-hillary/800744/179 "2017-11-26T02:49:02Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > HRC had shortcomings? I hadn’t a clue. Nobody’s mentioned that ever, especially not here. She came short about 77 electoral votes, that’s good enough for me. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-venom-for-hillary/800744/180 "2017-11-26T02:52:35Z")
> [@SarahWitch](#): > > She came short about 77 electoral votes, that’s good enough for me. Good enough for you to what? ---
**Author:** ![SarahWitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@SarahWitch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SarahWitch)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-venom-for-hillary/800744/181 "2017-11-26T02:52:40Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You actually believe people aren’t being paid to lie on the internet, and the only bloggers to operate out of malice are “Hillarites”? I’m not talking about commercial bloggers, just average people who think for themselves and do their homework, not repeat what they see on the MSM. Who do you think voted for Ron Paul suddenly after 30 years, after the internet became widespread? BLOGGERS. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-venom-for-hillary/800744.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-venom-for-hillary/800744.md?page=10)