# Why Trump Supporters Think He'll Win **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 30, 2016, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-trump-supporters-think-hell-win/761305 "2016-07-30T17:05:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-trump-supporters-think-hell-win/761305/61 "2016-08-01T04:16:45Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > [Trump voters earn more and are better educated than the typical American](http://qz.com/679589/trump-voters-earn-more-and-are-better-educated-than-the-typical-american/). … It is important to be clear. Those who voted in the GOP primaries for Trump (a small segment of all voters and of all who currently support him) earned more and were more commonly college educated than the “typical” (median) American. Of those voting in the GOP primary they were similar to Cruz voters and poorer than Rubio and Kasich voters. Currently a solid majority of [White college educated voters support Clinton](http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-07-12/college-poll). > [@](#): > > White voters with at least a college degree—a group that represented more than a third of the 2012 electorate—back Clinton over Trump 48 percent to 37 percent, the latest Purple Slice online poll for Bloomberg Politics shows. Romney won that group by 14 percentage points, according to exit polls. > > Among all college-educated likely voters, including those with post-graduate degrees, Clinton leads 54 percent to 32 percent, a much bigger margin than President Barack Obama’s 2-point advantage with a group that represented 47 percent of the electorate in 2012. Note not every poll shows as big of a lead and one shows it tied but this is a group that Romney won handily. And Trump increasingly beats her among the [non-college educated White](http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/college-educated-white-voters-may-decide/492995/)population. (July25) > [@](#): > > The CNN/ORC poll found Trump vastly expanding his advantage among whites without a college education, while actually losing ground among those holding at least a four-year degree. In their last survey immediately before the Republican convention, Trump led Clinton among non-college-educated whites by 20 points; that advantage roughly doubled to 39 percentage points in the new survey … The CBS poll found different margins, but a similar split. It showed Trump leading among non-college-educated whites by 23 points … ---
**Author:** ![Laggard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Laggard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laggard)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-trump-supporters-think-hell-win/761305/62 "2016-08-01T04:23:32Z")
So he won’t get 99% of the minorty or 80% of the women vote. Can he still win? ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-trump-supporters-think-hell-win/761305/63 "2016-08-01T04:46:59Z")
Not unless something changes. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-trump-supporters-think-hell-win/761305/64 "2016-08-01T10:50:40Z")
> [@Laggard](#): > > So he won’t get 99% of the minorty or 80% of the women vote. Can he still win? Yes, yes he can. I was struck recently by a Dem leaning black commentator who said that Obama’s path to the Presidency relied largely upon a high turnout of blacks and that black turnout going 95% for Obama. If Hillary does not get this sort of black turnout the race, everything else being equal, is wide open. I realize everything else being equal is a large assumption to make in this race, but all Trump requires are some marginal changes in voting patterns. ---
**Author:** ![Barrett\_Bonden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5e9695/32.png) [@Barrett\_Bonden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barrett_Bonden)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-trump-supporters-think-hell-win/761305/65 "2016-08-01T20:58:48Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > [Trump voters earn more and are better educated than the typical American](http://qz.com/679589/trump-voters-earn-more-and-are-better-educated-than-the-typical-american/). I’d guess that much more than 10% of Trump voters have passports and have been overseas, and even more have been to the big cities in the US. Of course I don’t know how many care about opinions overseas or opinions of big city people. This is absolutely fascinating. ETA: **DSeid** provided some more helpful context above. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-trump-supporters-think-hell-win/761305/66 "2016-08-01T21:39:14Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Sherrerd > An approach that might get through to that type of person: “Don’t you care that the entire world will be laughing at us if we elect Trump? He’s widely regarded overseas as a fool and a buffoon.” > It’s not so much fun to “stick it to the man” if by doing so you make yourself the butt of the joke. > [@msmith537](#): > > They don’t see it that way. They see it as the OP pointed out. “One of their own” in charge, pissing off all those overseas leaders who have to deal with him. … > [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Do you really think the average Trump supporter gives a damn about what people overseas think? My god, I hear some of them speak FRENCH. How stuck-up is that? … People don’t like being laughed at \*even by those they despise \*(such as Furriners). When Trump fans say they will vote for him even though they don’t like a lot of what he says–when they say they will vote for him simply because he will Stick It To The Elites–they are saying that they believe they will, even if just for a day, feel like they are one-up. They will feel, they believe, like life’s winners instead of life’s losers. To get metaphorical: They identify with the shit-throwing prankster up on the high-school roof. They believe that prankster is One-Up as he targets the principal and teachers–they believe he has power over everyone he hits–and they identify with that. For that one moment, they feel everyone will stand back in awe and show them the same respect they _believe_ is being shown to the shit-thrower on the roof. What they don’t realize is that no one actually respects the shit-thrower. They see the tsk-tsking over the shit-thrower as proof of the shit-thrower’s power. They’re wrong about that. But it’s difficult to make them see that they’re wrong. Luckily there is a real-life example that makes the abstraction concrete: the Brexit vote. We have plenty of evidence that a huge proportion of those voting to leave the EU believed that they were doing something that would place them One-Up in power over the elites who were urging “remain.” They believed their vote would make them respected; see how we reject your educated advice about the economic consequences of leaving! See how we do exactly as we please! See how we thumb our noses at those in power over us! But what were the headlines, the next day? Not ‘look at all these voters–what a power to be reckoned with!’ No, it was ‘look at all these voters whose top Google searches AFTER voting were “what is Brexit?” and “what is the European Union?”…what a bunch of ignorant oafs!’ They tried to thumb their noses at those in power, but the world _laughed_ at them as they succeeded only in sticking their thumbs in their own eyes. (Metaphorically.) Trump fans are desperate to be treated as important people, worthy of respect. They think that they will “show those elites!” by voting for Trump. They will be disappointed to find that their vote garners them not respect, but instead pity and derision. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2016, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-trump-supporters-think-hell-win/761305/67 "2016-08-06T09:48:46Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > The system does suck, in that at least they’re right. But the solution isn’t to hand power over to a self-involved, bigoted POS. Unfortunately, I subscribe to this attitude: Mencken, no doubt, was a great writer but he also was a deeply reactionary [anti-Semitic, racialist Social Darwinist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._L._Mencken#Racism_and_elitism) who ironically enough would fit right into the Alt Right crowd to-day. Mencken was nothing more then a more erudite Milo Yiannopoulos. > [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Do you really think the average Trump supporter gives a damn about what people overseas think? My god, I hear some of them speak FRENCH. How stuck-up is that? > > I would lay a bet that over 90% of Trump supporters have never owned a passport. And that a like number have never visited New York, DC, LA, San Francisco, or Chicago, because those places are full of the fags and the coloreds. And people say [liberal smugness](http://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism) doesn’t exist. Have you ever considered that a large number of working-class people might not possess passports since they find it superfluous to own one when they can’t afford vacations due to [lack of disposable income](http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/05/my-secret-shame/476415/) and many American workers simply don’t have much [vacation time](http://bigthink.com/praxis/why-do-americans-have-less-vacation-than-anyone-else) in the first place? For that matter, which group do you think is more likely to be pro-Trump? The overwhelmingly wealthy, white and Republican residents of [Coto de Caza](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coto_de_Caza,_California) or [Highland Park](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_Park,_Texas) who can afford to go to Europe every summer and send their children to Acapulco or the Yucatan during spring break? Or is it the working-class black and Hispanic residents of the Bronx or South L.A. who if lucky are able to get a weekend off to go the nearest beach or Disneyland? How many bourgeois urban social liberals in the Upper West Side or Berkeley ever want to visit West Virginia or Oklahoma? How many of them would never even consider going there because clearly those places are “shitholes” full of _untermensch_ “inbred fundie redneck yokels”? > [@Merneith](#): > > Well, either that or Trump voters lie their faces off about their education and incomes in exit polls. I mean, just because they all tell the pollsters that they have college degrees doesn’t mean they actually do. Or maybe reality is complex then the nice little liberal narratives peddled in exit polls. Perhaps a college degree doesn’t automatically grant one immunity against nativist politics, as Weimar-era Germany (among other places) amply demonstrated. > [@Sherrerd](#): > > Luckily there is a real-life example that makes the abstraction concrete: the Brexit vote. We have plenty of evidence that a huge proportion of those voting to leave the EU believed that they were doing something that would place them One-Up in power over the elites who were urging “remain.” They believed their vote would make them respected; see how we reject your educated advice about the economic consequences of leaving! See how we do exactly as we please! See how we thumb our noses at those in power over us! > > But what were the headlines, the next day? Not ‘look at all these voters–what a power to be reckoned with!’ No, it was ‘look at all these voters whose top Google searches AFTER voting were “what is Brexit?” and “what is the European Union?”…what a bunch of ignorant oafs!’ > > They tried to thumb their noses at those in power, but the world _laughed_ at them as they succeeded only in sticking their thumbs in their own eyes. (Metaphorically.) Clickbait stories to the contrary, the idea of mass regret among Brexit voters [is largely a myth](http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/brexit-abstainers-regret/): > [@](#): > > The first point that should be stressed is that most voters are content with the choice that they made. According to BMG 91% of those who voted say ‘I am glad to have voted the way I did and have no regrets’. Survation find that 94% do not regret their choice. Meanwhile, Opinium report that 95% feel that they ‘completely’ or ‘mostly’ made the right choice. Buyers’ remorse is not widespread. Might as well say the illegal immigrants are all murderous henchmen of the drug syndicates based on a few sensational accounts of violence. > [@](#): > > Trump fans are desperate to be treated as important people, worthy of respect. They think that they will “show those elites!” by voting for Trump. They will be disappointed to find that their vote garners them not respect, but instead pity and derision. So perhaps the Democratic Party should start making a broader populist appeal that speaks to Trump’s supporters? ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_blistering_barnacle/32/3386_2.png) [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blue_Blistering_Barnacle)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2016, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-trump-supporters-think-hell-win/761305/68 "2016-08-06T14:53:24Z")
I really think that EVERYTHING now hinges upon a) who you want nominating judges and, b) how “unacceptable” Trump can demonstrate himself to be On the (b) side, Trump has had a bad week, but… The (a) side is VERY strong. HRC supporters should ask themselves how they would likely vote if The Republicans had fielded a more “solid” mainstream candidate (not Trump or Cruz) and there was more damning information out there on HRC (the kind that Trump supporters just “know” exists)\*. I think most liberals would still support HRC, because … judges. - I don’t personally believe HRC is “crooked”, and I further don’t believe that ANY candidate this cycle is as crooked or shady as Trump, for lots of reasons, but let’s start with tax returns… ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2016, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-trump-supporters-think-hell-win/761305/69 "2016-08-06T15:02:47Z")
[This has probably been posted before](http://nextshark.com/howler-monkey-testicles-study/), but it’s too good to let go. > [@](#): > > Monkeys With Smaller Testicles Scream Louder to Compensate, Study Finds ---
**Author:** ![DonLogan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@DonLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DonLogan)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2016, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-trump-supporters-think-hell-win/761305/70 "2016-08-06T15:03:38Z")
> [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](#): > > I really think that EVERYTHING now hinges upon > > a) who you want nominating judges and, > b) how “unacceptable” Trump can demonstrate himself to be > > On the (b) side, Trump has had a bad week, but… > > The (a) side is VERY strong. > > HRC supporters should ask themselves how they would likely vote if The Republicans had fielded a more “solid” mainstream candidate (not Trump or Cruz) and there was more damning information out there on HRC (the kind that Trump supporters just “know” exists)\*. I think most liberals would still support HRC, because … judges. > > - I don’t personally believe HRC is “crooked”, and I further don’t believe that ANY candidate this cycle is as crooked or shady as Trump, for lots of reasons, but let’s start with tax returns… I think most people have appointing judges pretty far down the list. It tends to be something that people fall back on when a candidate is maybe failing issues tests they have higher up. In fact, people should have it a lot higher because as we’ve seen, pretty much everything of note in the last 6 years happened in the courts and I would expect that to continue as long as Dems have the White House and Repubs have a lock on the House. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2016, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-trump-supporters-think-hell-win/761305/71 "2016-08-06T15:04:10Z")
> [@Qin Shi Huangdi](#): > > And people say liberal smugness doesn’t exist. Which people? ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2016, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-trump-supporters-think-hell-win/761305/72 "2016-08-06T15:24:58Z")
> [@DonLogan](#): > > I think most people have appointing judges pretty far down the list. It tends to be something that people fall back on when a candidate is maybe failing issues tests they have higher up. > > In fact, people should have it a lot higher because as we’ve seen, pretty much everything of note in the last 6 years happened in the courts and I would expect that to continue as long as Dems have the White House and Repubs have a lock on the House. I agree judicial appointments are fairly far down the list of all voters on average. It’s high on the list though this time for conservative Republicans who don’t like Trump, whether to actually come out and vote for him anyway. That’s not a very large slice of the electorate, and not important if Trump isn’t close otherwise (no single group or state is that important in a non-close election). It’s a notable group though if the race gets back to being very close. I guess the whole question can be interpreted somewhat differently if asked ‘why might Trump win’ as opposed to ‘why do Trump supporters (presumably strong ones, not just ‘he isn’t quite as bad as Clinton’ ones) think he’ll win’. The latter would surely include a lot of projection by them of their perceptions onto others, just as post after post on this forum often projects solid left perceptions onto everyone else (everyone must believe as I, they don’t, hence stupid or evil). The former question IMO is fairly simple, Trump would win if he could focus against Clinton the negative perception of most voters of the state of the country. On the left that discontent is strongly aimed at the GOP, but for the key part of the electorate it’s aimed at both parties, even Trump’s core supporters are very anti-‘GOP establishment’. Trump _has_ successfully established himself as the ‘outsider’ (whether or not that’s really accurate), and he’s relatively tenuously attached to a lot of GOP history/policies which turn persuadable voters off. She’s the multi-decade insider. He hasn’t however strongly enough established himself, beyond his base, as a person to imagine in the Oval Office when it comes time to actually go out and vote. He seems to be going in the wrong direction on that. And I think that’s the main difference from when this was being discussed at RCP avg tied (why would one think a person tied in the polls might win?) to now, w/ Trump down ~7% points. There’s also though at least a slight drop in ‘wrong track’ opinion (was 69.7 IIRC last time I posted on this now 66.6), but that may even be slightly influenced by how bad Trump (the prophet of wrong track) has been looking personally not just events. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2016, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-trump-supporters-think-hell-win/761305/73 "2016-08-06T17:40:22Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Mencken, no doubt, was a great writer but he also was a deeply reactionary [anti-Semitic, racialist Social Darwinist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._L._Mencken#Racism_and_elitism) who ironically enough would fit right into the Alt Right crowd to-day. Mencken was nothing more then a more erudite Milo Yiannopoulos. Which neither invalidates the quote nor indicates my approval of his world view. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-trump-supporters-think-hell-win/761305/74 "2016-08-07T01:25:04Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Which neither invalidates the quote nor indicates my approval of his world view. Not inherently, no. But the contempt for the common people shown in that quote is part and parcel of Mencken’s worldview and opinions similar to it have been used to uphold elite interests throughout history. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-trump-supporters-think-hell-win/761305/75 "2016-08-07T01:33:07Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > [Trump voters earn more and are better educated than the typical American](http://qz.com/679589/trump-voters-earn-more-and-are-better-educated-than-the-typical-american/). I’d guess that much more than 10% of Trump voters have passports and have been overseas, and even more have been to the big cities in the US. Of course I don’t know how many care about opinions overseas or opinions of big city people. Lest folks misunderstand, Trump supporters had lower incomes that Kasich or Rubio supporters. But Republicans who turn out for primaries tend to have higher incomes than the average American. Low income voters are less likely to vote in the general never mind during the primary and are less likely to be members of the Republican party. > **[The Mythology Of Trump’s ‘Working Class’ Support](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/?ex_cid=story-twitter)** > > It’s been extremely common for news accounts to portray Donald Trump’s candidacy as a “working-class” rebellion against Republican elites. There are elements of… ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-trump-supporters-think-hell-win/761305/76 "2016-08-07T01:52:40Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Lest folks misunderstand, Trump supporters had lower incomes that Kasich or Rubio supporters. But Republicans who turn out for primaries tend to have higher incomes than the average American. Low income voters are less likely to vote in the general never mind during the primary and are less likely to be members of the Republican party. > > [The Mythology Of Trump’s ‘Working Class’ Support | FiveThirtyEight](http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/?ex_cid=story-twitter) But Trump voters showed up and beat Rubio and Kasich over the head with their GEDs. What does that tell you? It tells me, these people vote. And they vote against people they perceive as part of the Beltway Normal. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-trump-supporters-think-hell-win/761305/77 "2016-08-07T02:04:27Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Lest folks misunderstand, Trump supporters had lower incomes that Kasich or Rubio supporters. But Republicans who turn out for primaries tend to have higher incomes than the average American. Low income voters are less likely to vote in the general never mind during the primary and are less likely to be members of the Republican party. > > [The Mythology Of Trump’s ‘Working Class’ Support | FiveThirtyEight](http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/?ex_cid=story-twitter) What’s telling is that all primary voters including those who voted for Bernie and Hillary had higher incomes then the average American. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-trump-supporters-think-hell-win/761305/78 "2016-08-07T03:43:29Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > But Trump voters showed up and beat Rubio and Kasich over the head with their GEDs. What does that tell you? It tells me, these people vote. And they vote against people they perceive as part of the Beltway Normal. Yes. Most of those same people, a plurality but not majority of those who voted in the GOP primaries, will vote Trump too. They are his floor. And they are a small number compared to those who vote in a general election, a small number of even non-college educated White voters - with high confidence I can predict that not voting will be more popular among non-college educated Whites than voting for Trump will be. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-trump-supporters-think-hell-win/761305/79 "2016-08-07T05:15:33Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Not inherently, no. But the contempt for the common people shown in that quote is part and parcel of Mencken’s worldview and opinions similar to it have been used to uphold elite interests throughout history. Which, once again, does not invalidate the quote. If you want to argue that it’s incorrect, at least provide some kind of cites. Otherwise we’re quickly approaching non sequitur territory. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-trump-supporters-think-hell-win/761305/80 "2016-08-07T07:56:43Z")
I’m in Honolulu now, and there are still quite a few crazies here, just like I remembered. Today on the bus, this sweet-looking, gentle-speaking little old Hawaiian lady sat next to me on the bus, and when she saw Trump’s photo in a news story I was reading on my smartphone, she informed me she hoped he won, because “women shouldn’t run countries.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-trump-supporters-think-hell-win/761305.md?page=3)