# Why was Seven banned? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [July 28, 2009, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-was-seven-banned/504610 "2009-07-28T22:53:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-was-seven-banned/504610/261 "2009-07-29T16:57:56Z")
The important thing, if you’re going by the “Last 100 posts” standard is counting the number of _threads_ he was complaining in. So Seven got into a small number of threads where he posted multiple times about Liberal (what, 3, 4 threads?) So? It’s not the number of actual posts–if he was stalking Liberal around the board, sure. But posting in like 4 threads about Liberal and another 5 or 6 threads about the rules? How is that a problem? ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-was-seven-banned/504610/262 "2009-07-29T16:59:48Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > If **Seven** had contributed something meaningful in GQ or GD, or anywhere, for that matter, that didn’t involve the admins and/or Lib, I would be totally on board with the “bring him back!” crowd. > > However, since his only reason for being here was to complain about being here, it seems almost a kindness to ensure that he doesn’t have to complain anymore. Here’s an example of a helpful post by Seven: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10957526&postcount=6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10957526&postcount=6). I disagree with you that his only reason for being here was to complain. Lately maybe; but not for the entirety of his 4,000 + posts. I think that a poster’s past history should carry some weight in a banning decision. So Seven was grumpy lately about things at the SDMB, that doesn’t warrant an insta-ban. This was a bad call. ---
**Author:** ![Hunter\_Hawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/50afbb/32.png) [@Hunter\_Hawk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hunter_Hawk)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-was-seven-banned/504610/263 "2009-07-29T17:00:44Z")
I’d also be interested in learning how many posters reported any of the posts that got **Seven** banned. Was he viewed as disruptive by the actual customers of the SDMB, or only by the mods/admins? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-was-seven-banned/504610/264 "2009-07-29T17:01:20Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > It’s not the number of actual posts–if he was stalking Liberal around the board, sure. But posting in like 4 threads about Liberal and another 5 or 6 threads about the rules? How is that a problem? _shrug_ Those 100 posts went back to March, so it’s not as though the sample size was “last week”, and I think ~4 months is long enough to determine whether it’s just a phase. If somebody wants to do a more in-depth study of his recent posting habits you’re more than welcome to. [QUOTE=NinetyWt] Here’s an example of a helpful post by Seven: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...26&postcount=6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...26&postcount=6). I disagree with you that his only reason for being here was to complain. Lately maybe; but not for the entirety of his 4,000 + posts. [/QUOTE] Yeah… that was the 100th post, counting backwards, and one of the 3 non-whining posts I counted. I agree that his previous posting history should be taken into account, but only to a point. He apparently was here to do more than complain for a long time, but as I noted above, he really hadn’t been for at least 4 months. I assume he _was_ making useful contributions at GB during that time, which kind of says something about his reasons for being here- though again, I don’t think that should have been taken into account. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-was-seven-banned/504610/265 "2009-07-29T17:02:42Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > The important thing, if you’re going by the “Last 100 posts” standard is counting the number of _threads_ he was complaining in. > > So Seven got into a small number of threads where he posted multiple times about Liberal (what, 3, 4 threads?) > > So? > > It’s not the number of actual posts–if he was stalking Liberal around the board, sure. But posting in like 4 threads about Liberal and another 5 or 6 threads about the rules? How is that a problem? **Fenris** , you’re SO naive! It’s a problem because \*\*Marley \*\*doesn’t like it and also wants to be the very firstest and fastest with preemptively protecting **Tuba** –he gets a Snausage from \*\*Ed \*\*every time he does it. Snausages come dear, don’tcha know, and it’s hard out there for a mod–Snausages don’t just fall from the sky! This might get him a whole extra Snausage as a bonus, and you can’t expect him to pass up an extra Snausage, now can you? ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-was-seven-banned/504610/266 "2009-07-29T17:04:19Z")
> [@Polyperchon](#): > > … **why was Seven consider jerkish for quoting Tuba in his sig but Tuba not considered jerkish, and warned, for saying what she said?** Permit me to take a plumber’s crack at this one: 1-The Powers That Be & Their Chosen Ones are always right. 2-If and when found in the wrong, please read rule #1 Simple really. Affectaciously, ~NickInUpperLeftCorner & BottomLeftAsWellDueToEdit. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-was-seven-banned/504610/267 "2009-07-29T17:11:13Z")
> [@SmartAleq](#): > > What a fascinating idea–let’s see how it works in other situations: > > “That bitch was looking to get raped, and she got her wish. If she didn’t want to be raped, she wouldn’t have worn clothes that allow her body to be seen.” > > “That guy was looking to get mugged, and got his wish. If he didn’t want to get mugged he wouldn’t have had money in his pocket.” > > “You were looking to have a car accident, and you got your wish. If you don’t want to be slammed into by another car you shouldn’t be driving.” > > Wow, it’s amazing how you can use that to blame the victim in pretty much any circumstance! Not when the circumstance is as stupid as these are. If you think these are analogous, it’s a good thing your opinions have no more weight than mine. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-was-seven-banned/504610/268 "2009-07-29T17:13:41Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > FWIW, this is the sort of thing that looks to me like a yen for the ban. We saw it from **sailor** , now we are seeing it from **Xploder** and **Syntropy**. Either they have forgotten that complaints about the mods are no longer in the Pit, or they don’t care anymore. Can it still be considered an insult when one does no more nor less than state the simple objective truth? More to the point, can it be considered an insult if the poster in question is not at all insulted, but sees the words as a blazon of honor? ---
**Author:** ![lightingtool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/57b2e6/32.png) [@lightingtool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lightingtool)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-was-seven-banned/504610/269 "2009-07-29T17:16:42Z")
> [@SmartAleq](#): > > What a fascinating idea–let’s see how it works in other situations: > > “That bitch was looking to get raped, and she got her wish. If she didn’t want to be raped, she wouldn’t have worn clothes that allow her body to be seen.” > > “That guy was looking to get mugged, and got his wish. If he didn’t want to get mugged he wouldn’t have had money in his pocket.” > > “You were looking to have a car accident, and you got your wish. If you don’t want to be slammed into by another car you shouldn’t be driving.” I really don’t want to try to tell someone what to say, but attempting to equate a message board banning with rape is a bit of a stretch and doesn’t really help with ‘the cause’ (whatever that might be today). ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-was-seven-banned/504610/270 "2009-07-29T17:17:20Z")
Hmph. Another one of these trainwrecks. And, again, self-inflicted. > [@Fenris](#): > > That said, I agree with your conclusions. IF (and it’s a big if) he was spending too much time on board issues/complaining, then a warning or even a suspension might make sense. > > I thought insta-bans were ONLY for sock-puppets, threatening to hack/sue the board, threats of physical violence and spamming. After 9 years here, surely a warning or suspension is appropriate. Pretty much agree. Maybe **seven** was being an annoying gadfly towards management lately, but he was here a long time and he had some cause to bitch IMO. I won’t call it an insta-ban, insomuch as he had been warned. But the banning _was_ unusually abrupt for such a long-time member. Foolishness. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-was-seven-banned/504610/271 "2009-07-29T17:17:48Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I assume he _was_ making useful contributions at GB during that time, which kind of says something about his reasons for being here- though again, I don’t think that should have been taken into account. Does it? What does it say to you, because it doesn’t even send me a post card. ---
**Author:** ![Jeff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jeff)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-was-seven-banned/504610/272 "2009-07-29T17:18:53Z")
> [@lightingtool](#): > > The majority of my posts since ‘The Unpleasantness’ have been complaining about the board too. Has that become a bannable offense? Only if you moderate a successful message board. The implicit logic behind this decision is that if the Dope is such a horrible place and his own message board is not, he must ergo be a troll posting here for purely malicious purposes. Pure fucking spite, and Marley posting such weak shit as ‘proper evidence’ for the banning is proof that there is much more going on than the mods are willing to admit. You’d think that if they took that long to come up with a prepared statement they’d do a better job of it. Regards, Shit steam pork boot. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-was-seven-banned/504610/273 "2009-07-29T17:20:09Z")
> [@lightingtool](#): > > I really don’t want to try to tell someone what to say, but attempting to equate a message board banning with rape is a bit of a stretch and doesn’t really help with ‘the cause’ (whatever that might be today). Perhaps you’re acquainted with the term _reductio ad absurdum?_ ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-was-seven-banned/504610/274 "2009-07-29T17:23:24Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I agree that his previous posting history should be taken into account, but only to a point. He apparently was here to do more than complain for a long time, but as I noted above, he really hadn’t been for at least 4 months. This is what bothers me about perma-banning as the only real punishment here. If someone has a long history of being a good poster, but gets frustrated with the staff and/or rules after some major changes get made, does this make them irredeemable? Isn’t it possible that as time goes on, emotions will cool and the poster will return to posting as they did before? Several of our long time posters expressed far stronger feelings against the staff during past controversies – it would have been a waste to permanently bar them from the site forever after. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-was-seven-banned/504610/275 "2009-07-29T17:23:34Z")
> [@Syntropy](#): > > Does it? What does it say to you, because it doesn’t even send me a post card. I was going to say that it tells me he doesn’t really give a shit about the SDMB, but then I read the first paragraph of **Jeff** ’s post, which made me realize I might not have been thinking about this from all possible perspectives. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-was-seven-banned/504610/276 "2009-07-29T17:24:04Z")
> [@Rebo](#): > > Bolding mine. I reported the first post. I do believe it’s against the rules. As I read the current rules [dons Junior Mod cap] since 7 is no longer a member/poster/guest/whatev in the SDMB, he is eligible to have "fuck you and die"s, "cunt-head"s, and other delights heaped upn his person in abundance.[/doffs Junior Mod cap–wow, do those things hurt!]. Of course, I may be totally off on that, but that was just my first thought–another motivation not to get your nasty selves banned around here. ---
**Author:** ![Sapo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@Sapo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sapo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-was-seven-banned/504610/277 "2009-07-29T17:24:29Z")
Ok, although I still think this was a stupid thing to do, I must say that for the first time ever I must commend TPTB for having the \*cojones \*to ban someone “just because” and \*\*almost \*\*own up to it. “Recreational complaining and trolling” is still a chicken shit way of saying “for making fun of one of the untouchables” but at least doesn’t try to hide behind some trumped up cases of some ridiculous made up rule. At least this way you don’t get caught on the indefensible position of making “mop the floor with your butt” a threat or something. Progress comes in little steps. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-was-seven-banned/504610/278 "2009-07-29T17:25:58Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > This is what bothers me about perma-banning as the only real punishment here. If someone has a long history of being a good poster, but gets frustrated with the staff and/or rules after some major changes get made, does this make them irredeemable? Isn’t it possible that as time goes on, emotions will cool and the poster will return to posting as they did before? Several of our long time posters expressed far stronger feelings against the staff during past controversies – it would have been a waste to permanently bar them from the site forever after. I still don’t think that after 4 months he was going to go back to… however he was before he got all pissy (there’s only one poster who does that), but after participating in this thread I can’t really say I’m on board with this banning anymore. Thus, I’ll bow out of this thread, and I won’t really have much to say about it if his banning is overturned. ---
**Author:** ![Sapo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@Sapo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sapo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-was-seven-banned/504610/279 "2009-07-29T17:28:31Z")
> [@Polyperchon](#): > > **why was Seven consider jerkish for quoting Tuba in his sig but Tuba not considered jerkish, and warned, for saying what she said?** Just like Ed has a million votes on policy, Tuba has a [b/tr]million warning waivers and gets an additional one for every post. She might still run out, but don’t hold your breath. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-was-seven-banned/504610/280 "2009-07-29T17:28:40Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Permit me to take a plumber’s crack at this one: > > 1-The Powers That Be & Their Chosen Ones are always right. > > 2-If and when found in the wrong, please read rule #1 > > Simple really. > > Affectaciously, > > ~NickInUpperLeftCorner & BottomLeftAsWellDueToEdit. Really? A message board on which the staff and mods have the final say on board decisions? Wow, that’s a novelty. It must be the only one on the net. As for **Seven** , he’d grown so contemptuous of the running of the board lately that I’m surprised he’d want to keep posting here, unless he enjoys needling the mods, of course. Maybe the staff should have given him a little more rope with which to hang himself but I can certainly understand the temptation to kick away the stool. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-was-seven-banned/504610.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-was-seven-banned/504610.md?page=15)