I have never heard of that rule before, either. My partner is named after his father, and he’s emphatically a II, not a Junior.
Yeah, it’s right in the user name: puzzle gal. I’m a gal who collects mechanical puzzles.
My kids sometimes accuse me of being a transman in denial. So if you want to keep thinking of me as a guy, you have my blessing to do so. But yeah, i have a womb, and have born two children, and nursed them at my breast.
I think that’s as close to a factual answer as we’re going to get, given that the two people who really know are dead. I don’t know anyone other than GHWB with two middle names, and I’m guessing that’s because all the forms you will ever fill out have room for only one.
I know lots of people who have two middle names. Most often, the second one is a family name. For example, my son’s second middle name is my last name.
Does the entire discussion in this thread apply only to persons of the male persuasion? Are there no female sort of persons with the same name as a parent or other ancestor? And none with suffices like Sr. or Jr. or II or III etc.? Is this strictly a man thang?
I did know of one, sort of: I had a female supervisor who had the same name as her mother. But she didn’t use Jr as part of her name. Once I had occasion to call her at home, and got her mother instead. I asked if I was speaking to Sr. or Jr. and got a chuckle out of that.
I read your username as puzz legal.
Silly me.
I think I called my Mother trans once. Never again.
My kids have done it frequently. And not to needle me, but as a serious suggestion. And my voice is low enough that telemarketers frequently refer to me as “sir”.
In all honesty, if i were twenty i would probably identify as non-binary. But as a person in her sixth decade of life who has been treated as a woman for most of that time, and born two children, I’m used to being thought of as a woman.
I have two middle names. When i got married i added a name rather than replacing one. My husband did the same, and picked up my maiden name as a second middle name. All four are on my passport.
As long as they don’t give you a tie for Mother’s Day.
Since women traditionally take their husband’s name when they marry, it would be unusual for a daughter to have exactly the same name as her mother. I mean…i guess they could both have the husband’s last name until the daughter married… But what’s the point? I thought men did that to try to perpetuate themselves in some metaphysical way.
Oh, thats fine. In my case it was a bit of stupid and ill-advised back-talk from a broody teenager who kept getting into trouble in school, not since she was or is a transwoman. My mother though even back in the 1990’s always taught me to not make -phobic comments, it was one of her red lines.
On topic, I think in the UK the tradition always has been to say “the elder”, or “the younger” to diffrentiate between father and son if necessary.
LIke two Prime Ministers, William Pitt the Elder, and William Pitt the Younger.
The last two Queens of the United Kingdom were both named after their mothers.
My grandmother, and my aunt who never married and lived with her, had the same first and last names but different middle names. Same with one of my mother’s friends and her daughter, but they didn’t live together.
My grandfather, my father, and I all had the same first names, but different middle names that came from our own grandfather’s (paternal in my grandfather’s case, maternal for my father and me). In official contexts, I always use my middle initial.
My great-grandfather actually named his first-born son after himself, but he died in infancy, as did the next son. So my grandfather, the third son, ended up named after my great-mother’s father rather than his own father. My father’s brother was named after my great-grandfather, but died young as well.
My brother named his son after himself, but they have different middle names and go by different versions of their first names. More confusingly, my sister, my brother’s wife, and my nephew’s wife all have the same first name. We generally refer to them by first and middle name to avoid confusion.
Me too. Legal training at work, obviously. I still pronounce it that way in my head.
Is that a convention used by the actual people and their contemporaries or one used by students of History?
I didn’t make any assumptions about your sex but I always read your user name as “puzz(le) legal.” A legal puzzle!
Another lawyer checking in!
Yep! …
I refer to President Bush the elder and President Bush the younger in casual conversation. It’s unambiguous, and no one has ever failed to understand which Bush I was talking about.
Yeah, I did not expect either of them to post here. But I was wondering if they had ever made a statement about that had been made public.
Wait, you assumed puzzlegal was a guy? Why?