# Why We Fight... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 15, 2004, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-we-fight/274915 "2004-11-15T19:49:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Roseworm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/df788c/32.png) [@Roseworm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roseworm)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-we-fight/274915/1 "2004-11-15T19:49:16Z")
In Fallujah, US Marines discovered the body of a Western woman - wrapped in a sheet and dumped in the street. Her arms and legs had been cut off and her throat was slashed. Her face was disfigured and she had been disemboweled. She may be Teresa Borcz, a 54 year-old Pole, or Margaret Hassan, a 59 year-old Iraqi-Brit. Or she could be someone else entirely. Even if you opposed the Iraq invasion, it is good to know that our boys are over there hunting down the soul-less animals who would do something like that to a helpless woman. I do not care who you are. Whatever your race, creed or nationality…No matter where you are in the world…If you are in danger, the sweetest thing you will ever see is a US Marine with a rifle heading in your direction. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-we-fight/274915/2 "2004-11-15T19:52:11Z")
This isn’t going to go over well. Call me psychic. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-we-fight/274915/3 "2004-11-15T19:52:24Z")
> [@Roseworm](#): > > I do not care who you are. Whatever your race, creed or nationality…No matter where you are in the world…If you are in danger, the sweetest thing you will ever see is a US Marine with a rifle heading in your direction. Unless you’re one of thousands of innocents they’ve killed. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-we-fight/274915/4 "2004-11-15T19:52:29Z")
It’s such a good thing that everything over here in the western hemisphere is crime free and perfect, otherwise risking those Marines’ lives on foreign soil would almost have to be considered completely unnecessary. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-we-fight/274915/5 "2004-11-15T19:52:55Z")
[] OK, USA! OK, USA! OK, USA! OK, USA! OK, USA! OK, USA! OK, USA! Kill those animals! Barbarians! Every last one of them! Enjoy your war, Roseworm. Sam ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-we-fight/274915/6 "2004-11-15T19:53:50Z")
Most moronic OP I’ve seen in quite some time btw. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-we-fight/274915/7 "2004-11-15T19:56:34Z")
Kill 'em all, let Allah sort 'em out, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-we-fight/274915/8 "2004-11-15T20:00:13Z")
> [@Roseworm](#): > > Even if you opposed the Iraq invasion, it is good to know that our boys are over there hunting down the soul-less animals who would do something like that to a helpless woman. Any evidence they got those “soul-less animals” responsible for that? ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-we-fight/274915/9 "2004-11-15T20:00:56Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Kill 'em all, let Allah sort 'em out, huh? Allah? You forget, in a Judeo-Christian world, there is no room for Allah… ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-we-fight/274915/10 "2004-11-15T20:02:32Z")
Once you’ve been killed, disemboweled and mutilated, you probably don’t care a lot if that’s a Marine heading in your direction. ---
**Author:** ![Alexander\_the\_Grape](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/47e85d/32.png) [@Alexander\_the\_Grape](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alexander_the_Grape)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-we-fight/274915/11 "2004-11-15T20:03:58Z")
Roseworm, that woman would not have been killed if there were Iraq invasion in the first place. It is merely a response to aggression. If America were invaded by superior forces, we’d resort to such tactics to dishearten the aggressors as well. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-we-fight/274915/12 "2004-11-15T20:04:26Z")
[And this is why they fight](http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/7D9D45C5-DD8A-4F6C-9A19-A7EF943DCF38.htm) > [@](#): > > “I met a Falluja civilian who told me that he asked the Red Crescent for help but they could not oblige. He said he had buried two of his children and that two would die today, and hence he would not need any assistance,” Badran [Aljazeera’s correspondent in Falluja] said. [So is this](http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/A800AA57-C2A4-47FB-9BB5-6D6E1B9C3C22.htm): > [@](#): > > “The hospital was targeted by bombs and rockets. I was with a woman in labour. The umbilical cord had not yet been cut. At that time, a US solider shouted at one of the national guards to arrest me and tie my hands while I was helping the mother to deliver. I will never forget this incident,” the assistant doctor said. Even if you support the Iraq invasion, it is awful to know that our boys are over there hunting down the civilians who are desperately trying to survive in the midst of warfare. I do not care who you are. Whatever your race, creed or nationality…when a US Marine with a rifle is heading in your direction, there may be nothing sweeter than to know that an insurgent will avenge your death. Ain’t war grand? Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Roseworm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/df788c/32.png) [@Roseworm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roseworm)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-we-fight/274915/13 "2004-11-15T20:06:34Z")
To **Mr. Moto** : I am perfectly aware this is not going to go over well, but I stand by it. And I am _not_ trolling. _Someon_e has to speak up on behalf of our troops. _Someone_ has to take an unflinching look at the nature of our enemy. They found that woman’s body on Sunday. And no one in the BBQ Pit saw fit to comment on it? Where’s the outrage? You call this the BBQ Pit? You are nothing but a bunch of spineless, sniveling, equivocating cowards. It is _easy_ to take a stand when everyone shares your opinion. Too many people on this board are weirdly disconnected from the Big Picture. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-we-fight/274915/14 "2004-11-15T20:10:57Z")
> [@Roseworm](#): > > _Someon_e has to speak up on behalf of our troops. _Someone_ has to take an unflinching look at the nature of our enemy. Really? (actually the troops are for the most part brave good people. It’s the people in charge who sent them there that people might have an issue with) > [@](#): > > You are nothing but a bunch of spineless, sniveling, equivocating cowards. Good luck still having posting priveliges after that one. > [@](#): > > Too many people on this board are weirdly disconnected from the Big Picture. Too many people in the world are _misguided_ about the big picture. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-we-fight/274915/15 "2004-11-15T20:13:15Z")
> [@Roseworm](#): > > They found that woman’s body on Sunday. And no one in the BBQ Pit saw fit to comment on it? Where’s the outrage? You call this the BBQ Pit? You are nothing but a bunch of spineless, sniveling, equivocating cowards. It is _easy_ to take a stand when everyone shares your opinion. > > Too many people on this board are weirdly disconnected from the Big Picture. Okay, let me give you [a list of other deaths you can start pit threads on](http://www.iraqbodycount.net/database/), lest we turn your accusation back on you and accuse you of being a spineless, sniveling, equivocating coward who’s weirdly disconnected from the big picture. As I see it, you’ve got at least 14,377 threads to go before you’re no longer a SSECwWDftBP. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-we-fight/274915/16 "2004-11-15T20:14:20Z")
> [@Roseworm](#): > > To **Mr. Moto** : > > I am perfectly aware this is not going to go over well, but I stand by it. And I am _not_ trolling. _Someon_e has to speak up on behalf of our troops. _Someone_ has to take an unflinching look at the nature of our enemy. It’s critical to understand that we support the troops, we’re against the reason they’re there. If you don’t understand the difference, there’s liitle we can do for you. I want them to get the fuck out of that hellhole as quickly as possible, so they can get back to their lives. You dare say we don’t speak up for the troops? Fuck yourself. > [@](#): > > They found that woman’s body on Sunday. And no one in the BBQ Pit saw fit to comment on it? Where’s the outrage? You call this the BBQ Pit? You are nothing but a bunch of spineless, sniveling, equivocating cowards. Someone saw fit to comment on it. You. If we start pit threads on every injustice during this war, the board will freeze. > [@](#): > > Too many people on this board are weirdly disconnected from the Big Picture. /head asplodes ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-we-fight/274915/17 "2004-11-15T20:14:32Z")
> [@Roseworm](#): > > _Someon_e has to speak up on behalf of our troops. _Someone_ has to take an unflinching look at the nature of our enemy. > > Too many people on this board are weirdly disconnected from the Big Picture. It may have escaped your attention, but before that maniac in the Whitehouse ordered the invasion, Iraq wasn’t the enemy. Maybe you didn’t get memo, being all weirdly disconnected and all. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-we-fight/274915/18 "2004-11-15T20:17:25Z")
> [@Tapioca Dextrin](#): > > It may have escaped your attention, but before that maniac in the Whitehouse ordered the invasion, Iraq wasn’t the enemy. > > Maybe you didn’t get memo, being all weirdly disconnected and all. Actually, it was. Iraq was most definitely an enemy. However, it was a defanged, contained enemy that posed no immediate threat to us. Now, it’s a breeding ground for terrorism and a powderkeg that could destabilize the entire Middle East. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-we-fight/274915/19 "2004-11-15T20:17:43Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > [a list of other deaths you can start pit threads on](http://www.iraqbodycount.net/database/) Holy shit! That many?? ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-we-fight/274915/20 "2004-11-15T20:19:04Z")
> [@Roseworm](#): > > To **Mr. Moto** : > > I am perfectly aware this is not going to go over well, but I stand by it. And I am _not_ trolling. _Someon_e has to speak up on behalf of our troops. _Someone_ has to take an unflinching look at the nature of our enemy. This dreck is soooo tiring. > [@](#): > > They found that woman’s body on Sunday. And no one in the BBQ Pit saw fit to comment on it? Where’s the outrage? You call this the BBQ Pit? You are nothing but a bunch of spineless, sniveling, equivocating cowards. It is _easy_ to take a stand when everyone shares your opinion. Ooooh. Wow. Ouch. Couldn’t you even call us _unpatriotic_ cowards? Have some ingenuity! > [@](#): > > Too many people on this board are weirdly disconnected from the Big Picture. Fucking tell me about it. I have to butt heads with them every day around here. :rolleyes: Sam [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-we-fight/274915.md?page=2)