I’m sorry, I just can’t take it seriously when you call someone else’s claim ridiculous just two minutes after saying that “some leftwing nutcase” would forge Romney’s tax return to show contributions to NAMBLA.
I assume that the intended meaning is “Mr. S. L. Nutcase has a criminal record that includes an arrest for forgery”, not that he got arrested for perpetrating the specific hypothetical dirty deed under discussion.
Looks like Romney’s arrogance abiout what voters are allowed to care about has seeped into the RNC. RNC Chair Reince Preibus says it is ridiculous that 63% of Americans think Romney should release his taxes.
The fact is that Romney is failing in two ways here: 1) Not releasing his taxes and 2) Acting like folks have no right to ask about them.
This thread (and by my own sometimes tortured logic, the issue at large) seems to me to be growing tedious. I find myself less compelled to check into it. This suggests to me that if Romney can keep his mouth shut he may weather the crisis without releasing his forms…
Oh, what the hell … Reid’s source may well have been Jon Huntsman Sr.
So maybe HE’s lying. :rolleyes: There’s only one to find out.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about the thread, especially in light of the fact that hypothetical forged documents seem to be the main topic of discussion at this point. Not that our Doper friends don’t have the right to talk about whatever they want, of course.
No, I wouldn’t say that at all. It seems to me if you take a bunch of data points that don’t say much of anything on their own, when you add them up you haven’t proven anything. They’re both Mormon? Fine. He donated to Reid’s campaign? So what? The number of people who fit the description in that link must number in the thousands, if not more.
When the debates happen it will become an issue again.
He’s also trying to float the notion that wanting to see Romney’s tax returns is somehow equivalent to crackpot Birthers wanting to see Obama’s birth certificate.
Geez, he already had to deal with this during the GOP primary debates:
Was he delusional enough to actually think the subject wouldn’t come up again during the general election? :smack::smack:
Ours are over 60 pages (full Turbo Tax dump) and we are reasonably vanilla.
Do some Schedule Cs with depreciation of office equipment, donating some stuff to charity, buy and sell some stocks, and it adds up, and more so with the worksheets that net out to 0. 200 pages would be surprisingly small for Mitt.
You misunderestimate the sleaze of your side. If Rove were running things, the course of action would be clear.
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Create some returns with plausible numbers but a big hole which could be easily shown to be impossible if you know where to look.
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Arrange for some not very smart left wing radical type to get it.
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Make sure it gets leaked to the news media, who will, as usual, jump on it without checking.
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Release just enough of the real returns to discredit the forgery, and the media.
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Profit.
It worked for Bush’s National Guard disservice.
Romney’s 2010 return (the one he has actually released) is 203 pages long.
Mine is also the full Turbo Tax dump - so it includes the worksheets and state stuff that aren’t in Mitt’s 203 pages because they aren’t officially part of the federal filing.
I have a few pages of oil depletion spreadsheets and partnership forms. I own a little stock in a oil partnership that involves filing a schedule K. Every year I think “I need to sell this, the gain isn’t worth the tax time.”
And that isn’t even the full return. He omitted the attachment required to show his interest in foreign financial accounts.
Of course it’s not equally believable. That’s why all political lies are construed to be believable at first blush so they catch on. You don’t come out with a false rumor that Obama is a member of the Ku Klux Klan or that G.W. Bush is a secret Muslim. Those rumors are dismissed outright. The key to a successful lie is crafting one that just might be true.
But just because you’ve created a good lie doesn’t mean that people should believe it because a “source” told you.
That Romney refuses to release his returns is a fact.
I don’t know why this keeps needing to be repeated, but here it is again: *Romney *is the candidate. Romney. Not Reid, Romney. Romney’s motives and attitudes are what we voters need to assess. Not Reid’s, Romney’s.
Got it yet?
If Romney has committed any tax crimes, I would hope that Obama’s Justice Department has investigated and pursued criminal charges per the Constitution.
Since they haven’t, I will assume that Romney has managed his finances in compliance with the law. That’s good enough for me.
Now you wish to have a gloved hand up the ass examination for a candidate, and that is your right as a voter.
But in any event, if an accusation is leveled at anyone, me, you, Romney, or Obama, the burden is on the accuser to verify his statement. An unnamed source is bullshit. I don’t, and should not have to, refute any statement made against me by someone with a political ax to grind.
The 2009 amnesty would have made his foreign transactions retroactively legal. I’m glad you’re satisfied with that.
About this accusation that has you far more worked up than the actual candidate’s ethics, one can only wonder why you give a damn.
So what is Romney going to do if Reid refuses? Just let the accusation float out there, repeated endlessly as conservatives demand satisfaction? Some of that shit is going to stick with people wondering what Romney is hiding. On the other hand, what is the worst that will happen to Reid by refusung to name his source? Conservatives will think poorly of him? Romney is the one with everything to lose. Reid is a fucking genius.