# Why would gays want to "propagate their lifestyle"? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 27, 2002, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-gays-want-to-propagate-their-lifestyle/100317 "2002-03-27T03:46:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-gays-want-to-propagate-their-lifestyle/100317/21 "2002-03-28T05:32:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by matt\_mcl \* > \*\*I don’t _think_ it’s possible to convert a straight man to homosexuality, but give me an evening and a two-four of Sleeman’s and I’ll do my best. \*\* My hat’s off to **matt**. The very thought of such a sacrifice for the twin causes of scientific research and the Gay Agenda moves me to tears! _sob_ Now, give me the chance to attempt conversion on Sean Astin and I’ll…_sniff_…try to do my duty to my fellow gay men. 😃 jayjay ---
**Author:** ![Kirkland1244](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dc4da7/32.png) [@Kirkland1244](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kirkland1244)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-gays-want-to-propagate-their-lifestyle/100317/22 "2002-03-28T05:35:03Z")
Well, if you need someone to get Elijah Wood away from Astin for ya, I’m you’re man. Though personally, I don’t think Elijah needs any converting. Kirk ---
**Author:** ![Guston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@Guston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guston)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-gays-want-to-propagate-their-lifestyle/100317/23 "2002-03-28T05:43:29Z")
The hardcore right wing wants all “faggots” to die. That’s why Jesse (going to hell) Helms now supports aid to African mothers and their children. They got the disease _RIGHTEOUSLY_ , from a man, whilst engaged in good ol’ heterosexual sex. Syphsenator Jesse (going to hell) Helms will not support any programs that will help “faggots” suffering from AIDS. He would prefer that all homosexual AIDS sufferers suffer in silence and die. The sooner the better. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is compassionate conservatism. ---
**Author:** ![Kirkland1244](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dc4da7/32.png) [@Kirkland1244](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kirkland1244)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-gays-want-to-propagate-their-lifestyle/100317/24 "2002-03-28T06:03:08Z")
Guston, do not lob all conservatives in with Helms. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-gays-want-to-propagate-their-lifestyle/100317/25 "2002-03-28T06:04:51Z")
It’s just not fair! Gays get a toaster oven for converting, while us bi-sexuals only get a spatula and a pot holder. We have to convert _five_ people to upgrade to an insulated coffee mug. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-gays-want-to-propagate-their-lifestyle/100317/26 "2002-03-28T06:25:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BlackKnight \* > > So they can get [dates](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=105149), duh. 😉 You leave me and my sweet, supple gel wrist rest alone! Why can’t you just leave us alone? ☹ Esprix [sub]Scylla[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-gays-want-to-propagate-their-lifestyle/100317/27 "2002-03-28T14:14:53Z")
According to her expertise, homosexuals have to convert cause they can’t reproduce. I swear to God, Anita wrote it. I don’t understand it either, particularly since my lesbian sister has two children. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-gays-want-to-propagate-their-lifestyle/100317/28 "2002-03-28T14:48:47Z")
> [@](#): > > Now, give me the chance to attempt conversion on Sean Astin and I’ll…_sniff_…try to do my duty to my fellow gay men. Get in line, Buster! 😃 I’d do me a hobbit four-way, with some Aragorn and Faramir on the side. Gimli’s a tad too bearish for me, and Legolas is waaay too much of a twink. The fundie claim that “the gays are converting the straights” is really rather a sweet compliment. They seem to believe that homosexuality must be so alluring, so deliciously tantalizing, that no straight man can resist our wiles. I can see why the fundies would feel threatened, too. Once converted, the formerly-straight guy abandons polyester blends for natural fibers, K-Mart for Ikea, and trades in Hootie for Madonna. Good taste and sophistication to a fundie are like garlic to a vampire. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-gays-want-to-propagate-their-lifestyle/100317/29 "2002-03-28T15:08:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > Esprix > > [sub]Scylla[/sub] \*\* Sorry for the hijack, but **Esprix** , could you direct me to the thread in which you decided to start whispering “Scylla” at the end of your posts? I’ve noticed you’ve done that several times. Why? ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-gays-want-to-propagate-their-lifestyle/100317/30 "2002-03-28T15:33:52Z")
If you want to be totally fair to the religious right (and while many of you may feel that that’s unnecessary since they are not totally fair to anyone else, one can rise above a tit-for-tat morality), the stance would seem to be that (a) the God of the Bible makes no bones about his condemnation of homosexual acts, (b) anyone of homosexual orientation is going to desire homosexual acts, which by the “if you fantasize doing it, you’re as guilty as if you actually did it” concept (which speaks of adultery), (c) gay activists are trying to remove any concept of things being morally right or not as regards God’s commands, and (d) it’s incumbent on all moral people to attempt to keep other people from committing immoral acts, and to foster a moral society. I’m sure that most people here can see the flaws in this rationale, but it does seem only fair to present it as something that, given certain assumptions, has some internal consistency, not just the spewing of hatred. What gripes me more than anything else is that when you discuss the subject with people who in other ways seem compassionate and sincerely trying to live out Jesus’s commands, it suddenly becomes “we cannot condone sin” along with “honest love for them demands we show them where they’re sinning.” Never mind that, even on their line of thinking, this is one sin among many for which Jesus paid the debt, and His commands include that one show love, not revulsion, for one’s fellow man, and that one do whatever is possible to lead one’s fellow men to Christ – and that nothing could be more obvious than that this stance is driving gay people away from Him. However, nobody said that logic had anything to do with it. Apparently even for good Christians it’s too much to expect that they try to do what they were commanded to by their Lord. ☹ **Kirk, 'Sprix** , does this meet with your understanding of what seems to be going on? ---
**Author:** ![pizzabrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9c0ed/32.png) [@pizzabrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pizzabrat)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-gays-want-to-propagate-their-lifestyle/100317/31 "2002-03-28T15:49:45Z")
> [@](#): > > According to her expertise, homosexuals have to convert cause they can’t reproduce. I swear to God, Anita wrote it. I don’t understand it either, particularly since my lesbian sister has two children. I remember her saying that too, but that never made sense. How could making someone who already exists more like you seem like a substitute for reproducing? ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-gays-want-to-propagate-their-lifestyle/100317/32 "2002-03-28T16:45:26Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by Homebrew \* > [@](#): > > Sorry for the hijack, but **Esprix** , could you direct me to the thread in which you decided to start whispering “Scylla” at the end of your posts? I’ve noticed you’ve done that several times. Why? Moneypenny: “Don’t ask.” M: “Don’t tell.” - “Tomorrow Never Dies” 😉 Esprix ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-gays-want-to-propagate-their-lifestyle/100317/33 "2002-03-28T22:21:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\* > Get in line, Buster! 😃 I’d do me a hobbit four-way, with some Aragorn and Faramir on the side. \*\* Jayjay will kill 'em if they try anything… 😃 jayjay ([Super Secret LOTR Diaries](http://www.livejournal.com/users/cassieclaire/)) ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2002, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-gays-want-to-propagate-their-lifestyle/100317/34 "2002-03-29T00:01:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kirkland1244 \* > \*\*Well, if you need someone to get Elijah Wood away from Astin for ya, I’m you’re man. > > Though personally, I don’t think Elijah needs any converting. > > Kirk \*\* When I saw Astin and Wood at the Oscar’s last week my Gaydar went wild and was triangulating their position with pinpoint accuracy. Erek ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2002, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-gays-want-to-propagate-their-lifestyle/100317/35 "2002-03-29T00:26:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mswas \* > \*\* > > When I saw Astin and Wood at the Oscar’s last week my Gaydar went wild and was triangulating their position with pinpoint accuracy. > > Erek \*\* Heh…tell me about it. Not to hijack any further than we already have, but I did think it was amusing that they went to great, GREAT pains to **firmly** establish Sam’s heterosexuality at the beginning of the movie and then completely obliterated that establishment by Astin’s performance and Jackson’s direction. If Samwise didn’t have a little hobbit hard-on for Master Frodo, I’ll marry the next woman who passes by and father 10 children. jayjay ---
**Author:** ![Kirkland1244](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dc4da7/32.png) [@Kirkland1244](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kirkland1244)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2002, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-gays-want-to-propagate-their-lifestyle/100317/36 "2002-03-29T00:28:02Z")
Oh, Elijah Wood strikes me as incredibly gay. Sean Astin being gay, however, would come as a sad shock to his wife and kids, so I hope he’s not. Kirk ---
**Author:** ![emarkp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3be4f8/32.png) [@emarkp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emarkp)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2002, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-gays-want-to-propagate-their-lifestyle/100317/37 "2002-03-29T00:30:27Z")
Wow! 30+ posts and only one half-attempt to answer the question instead of merely slinging polemic at those of differing opinion. I’m so impressed with Dopers! Not. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2002, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-gays-want-to-propagate-their-lifestyle/100317/38 "2002-03-29T00:31:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kirkland1244 \* > \*\*Oh, Elijah Wood strikes me as incredibly gay. > > Sean Astin being gay, however, would come as a sad shock to his wife and kids, so I hope he’s not. > > Kirk \*\* Damn inconvenient heterosexual appurtenances… 'sokay, anyway. Astin is cute in real life, but not as cute as he is when he’s really short with hairy feet. 😃 jayjay (pervy hobbit-fancier) ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2002, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-gays-want-to-propagate-their-lifestyle/100317/39 "2002-03-29T00:36:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by emarkp \* > \*\*Wow! 30+ posts and only one half-attempt to answer the question instead of merely slinging polemic at those of differing opinion. I’m so impressed with Dopers! > > Not. :rolleyes: \*\* Those of differing opinion on this subject ignore the data as well as the testimony of gays. Evidence is very much on our side. The other side, on the other hand, has their worldview warped by the idea that sexual orientation is some sort of willy-nilly whimsical choice that we gays make every morning. “Shall I be gay or straight today? Oh, I had so much wicked fun fucking men yesterday I think I’ll stay gay!” is as much behind their fear of “recruitment” as it is of their sick fantasy of “recovery ministries”. We’re treating their opinion with all the gravity it deserves. jayjay ---
**Author:** ![Kirkland1244](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dc4da7/32.png) [@Kirkland1244](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kirkland1244)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2002, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-gays-want-to-propagate-their-lifestyle/100317/40 "2002-03-29T00:57:59Z")
jayjay, Frodo will kill you if you try anything. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-gays-want-to-propagate-their-lifestyle/100317.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-gays-want-to-propagate-their-lifestyle/100317.md?page=3)