# Why would it appear that hetrosexual men are discriminated **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [May 15, 2013, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-it-appear-that-hetrosexual-men-are-discriminated/658397 "2013-05-15T12:57:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-it-appear-that-hetrosexual-men-are-discriminated/658397/41 "2013-05-15T15:29:53Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > At least airline pilot has pay and prestige going for it. Maybe in the 70’s and 80’s…but not so much anymore. Commercial airline pilots are thought of more as glorified taxi drivers these days. And the starting pay for pilots is around $35-40k per year. They top out at about $135-145k after many years of service. That’s about what average commercial airline pilots made in the hey day of the 70’s/80’s. So much for inflation. FedEx and UPS pilots on the other hand top out at about $200k. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-it-appear-that-hetrosexual-men-are-discriminated/658397/42 "2013-05-15T15:31:41Z")
Because all the heterosexual men are busy lumberjackin’. ---
**Author:** ![GoodOmens](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d26b3c/32.png) [@GoodOmens](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GoodOmens)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-it-appear-that-hetrosexual-men-are-discriminated/658397/43 "2013-05-15T15:36:46Z")
> [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](#): > > I don’t think it’s confirmation bias either. I would bet my life more than half of the men who work as flight attendants are gay. But that’s not the question at hand. NarmSayin originally asserted that there is discrimination involved; that would require not just that a disproportionate number of flight attendants are gay, but specifically that the people involved in hiring them specifically select gay men for the job. Discrimination would involve not just numbers but intent. I honestly don’t have any idea whether straight men are discriminated against in hiring practices in the airline industry. I also have no idea what the anecdote in the OP about Kuala Lampur has to do with NarmSayin’s argument. Can you clarify what that was intended to illustrate? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-it-appear-that-hetrosexual-men-are-discriminated/658397/44 "2013-05-15T15:41:01Z")
> [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](#): > > I don’t think it’s confirmation bias either. I would bet my life more than half of the men who work as flight attendants are gay. Really? _More than half_? Make that a $$ amount, and I’ll gladly take that bet with you? ---
**Author:** ![NarmSayin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c0e974/32.png) [@NarmSayin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NarmSayin)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-it-appear-that-hetrosexual-men-are-discriminated/658397/45 "2013-05-15T15:45:10Z")
> [@Interrobang](#): > > Can you clarify what that was intended to illustrate? No probs, it was simply to illustrate, that if the senior male crew had any say in hiring, (which they apparently dont according to fellow posters) that by hiring some men to keep them clean of discrimination laws, that if they were to ensure that the other male cabin crew they hired were gay then at the stopover partys for example like I experienced in Kuala Lumpa, their would be more flange available for them. Simple. I hope this makes it easier for you to understand? Please don’t hesitate to ask if you have any more questions. ---
**Author:** ![NarmSayin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c0e974/32.png) [@NarmSayin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NarmSayin)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-it-appear-that-hetrosexual-men-are-discriminated/658397/46 "2013-05-15T15:49:09Z")
On the one hand people are saying there is no discrimination involved, on the other hand its also been said here that many of those in charge of recruiting are gay. I would assume that gay men would favor other gay men over straight men in the same way straight men would favor their own in other industries. Yet when done in a straight environment its unnacceptable yet done where people fear to tread cos of the PC brigade nobody says a word! ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-it-appear-that-hetrosexual-men-are-discriminated/658397/47 "2013-05-15T15:52:45Z")
> [@NarmSayin](#): > > On the one hand people are saying there is no discrimination involved, on the other hand its also been said here that many of those in charge of recruiting are gay. I would assume that gay men would favor other gay men over straight men in the same way straight men would favor their own in other industries. Yet when done in a straight environment its unnacceptable yet done where people fear to tread cos of the PC brigade nobody says a word! I think people are saying you can’t assume discrimination. It could be that gay men or men who are perceived as gay are mainly the only ones interested in the position. I think it goes further than that because of the tradition of discrimination in that industry, but it isn’t necessarily anti-heterosexual discrimination, or discrimination at all. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-it-appear-that-hetrosexual-men-are-discriminated/658397/48 "2013-05-15T15:52:51Z")
> [@NarmSayin](#): > > I would assume that gay men would favor other gay men over straight men in the same way straight men would favor their own in other industries. Yet when done in a straight environment its unnacceptable yet done where people fear to tread cos of the PC brigade nobody says a word! So you assume that something “unacceptable” is happening because only straight people are required to comply with the law? ---
**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-it-appear-that-hetrosexual-men-are-discriminated/658397/49 "2013-05-15T15:54:21Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > For the very same reason there are so many gay waiters, duh. Service requires caring about trivial shit like proper cutlery and table linens mixed with a huge dose of smiling sweetly and sucking it up from some jerk. Really simple to see why heterosexual males find such work too demeaning. :dubious: Not quite sure where you are going with this. That gay men are more prepared to put up with crappy jobs? Or that gay men are somehow inferior and thus should have to suck up the shitty jobs that their straight superiors are too good for? Either way I’m not sure I like the implication. ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-it-appear-that-hetrosexual-men-are-discriminated/658397/50 "2013-05-15T15:54:53Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Really? _More than half_? > > Make that a $$ amount, and I’ll gladly take that bet with you? Of course there is no way of knowing for sure. But I fly fairly often and the majority of the male flight attendants are obviously gay. Maybe it’s coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-it-appear-that-hetrosexual-men-are-discriminated/658397/51 "2013-05-15T15:56:23Z")
> [@NarmSayin](#): > > on the other hand its also been said here that many of those in charge of recruiting are gay. Hmmmm? Where has that been said? ---
**Author:** ![NarmSayin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c0e974/32.png) [@NarmSayin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NarmSayin)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-it-appear-that-hetrosexual-men-are-discriminated/658397/52 "2013-05-15T16:00:11Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > So you assume that something “unacceptable” is happening because only straight people are required to comply with the law? Thats correct, until obviously a brave soul like myself is prepared to come forward and speak up. ---
**Author:** ![NarmSayin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c0e974/32.png) [@NarmSayin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NarmSayin)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-it-appear-that-hetrosexual-men-are-discriminated/658397/53 "2013-05-15T16:02:51Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Hmmmm? Where has that been said? > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > For what it’s worth, though, a friend of mine is a straight flight attendant for Delta and he says all the recruiters are gay men. Go figure. There ya go! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-it-appear-that-hetrosexual-men-are-discriminated/658397/54 "2013-05-15T16:03:05Z")
I really don’t think it’s discrimination. I think that most straight men wouldn’t want a job associated with predominately women and gay men. ---
**Author:** ![NarmSayin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c0e974/32.png) [@NarmSayin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NarmSayin)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-it-appear-that-hetrosexual-men-are-discriminated/658397/55 "2013-05-15T16:05:17Z")
> [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](#): > > I really don’t think it’s discrimination. I think that most straight men wouldn’t want a job associated with predominately women and gay men. Then its our duty to break these stereotypes. ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-it-appear-that-hetrosexual-men-are-discriminated/658397/56 "2013-05-15T16:07:51Z")
> [@NarmSayin](#): > > Then its our duty to break these stereotypes. Why? What’s wrong if a certain job mostly attracts women and gay men? ---
**Author:** ![NarmSayin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c0e974/32.png) [@NarmSayin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NarmSayin)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-it-appear-that-hetrosexual-men-are-discriminated/658397/57 "2013-05-15T16:16:25Z")
> [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](#): > > Why? What’s wrong if a certain job mostly attracts women and gay men? Feel free to not opt in. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-it-appear-that-hetrosexual-men-are-discriminated/658397/58 "2013-05-15T16:16:26Z")
What’s next? Busting the barrier for Hooter’s servers? ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-it-appear-that-hetrosexual-men-are-discriminated/658397/59 "2013-05-15T16:19:27Z")
> [@NarmSayin](#): > > Feel free to not opt in. I won’t be. But why do you care? Were you passed over for a flight attendant job that went to a gay dude? ---
**Author:** ![NarmSayin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c0e974/32.png) [@NarmSayin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NarmSayin)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-it-appear-that-hetrosexual-men-are-discriminated/658397/60 "2013-05-15T16:21:29Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > What’s next? Busting the barrier for Hooter’s servers? Non comprende…Busting the barrier? Hooters servers? My IT knowledge isnt the best. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-it-appear-that-hetrosexual-men-are-discriminated/658397.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-it-appear-that-hetrosexual-men-are-discriminated/658397.md?page=4)