# Why WTC 7 Sabotaged **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 13, 2010, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-wtc-7-sabotaged/553649 "2010-09-13T20:39:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![yoyodyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a9a28c/32.png) [@yoyodyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yoyodyne)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-wtc-7-sabotaged/553649/101 "2010-09-15T16:48:16Z")
The tanks weren’t a big contributor to the fire, the fuel was the usual flammable material in office buildings. The sprinkler water supplies were broken by WTC 1 and 2. The fires travelled and did burn out for some distance from their starting point. ---
**Author:** ![Mozart1220](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Mozart1220](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mozart1220)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-wtc-7-sabotaged/553649/102 "2010-09-15T20:45:53Z")
> [@Gregg64](#): > > I just saw a special on 9/11 that was a lot of little seen video, a lot of it looks like private webcam kind of stuff but the point is, it wasn’t CNN or anything like that. One segment of the show was a few minutes of someone going into the lobby of WTC 7 after it was evacuated but before it collapsed obviously. This is something I had not realized and had never seen anyone mention it, but the lobby of that building was rubble. They guy went up an escalator and was met by a security guard who turned him back, but it was obvious that the place had major damage that happened as a result of the towers being hit, or falling (not sure what time it was, so I don’t know if the towers had come down yet, although I would think not, surely the whole area was closed off after that). > > Anyway, to me, it was just more proof the truffers are wrong, that place didn’t come down from some preparation, it just got whacked by peripheral damage from a few airplanes hitting the place next door. And managed to fall straight down into it’s own footprint, shortly after the owner ordered the NYFD to “pull it”. How convenient was THAT? Seriously, I don’t know why we pay these so calle professionals so much money and allow them weeks of prep time, when all we have to do is lob a couple barrels of kerosine into an upper floor window and set it off. The buildings would be down in a hour or so. It’s a scam I tell ya. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-wtc-7-sabotaged/553649/103 "2010-09-15T21:35:19Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > > [@Reepicheep](#): > > > > NO! Not the wombats. It was the Froggies and of course, the Squirrels. Don’t you people pay attention? > > Bunnies! I’m sure it was bunnies! > [@Corner\_Case](#): > > > [@Knorf](#): > > > > Bunnies! I’m sure it was bunnies! > > And you all know what [bunnies](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCI18qAoKq4&feature=fvsr) can do! > [@Kobal2](#): > > > [@Knorf](#): > > > > Bunnies! I’m sure it was bunnies! > > - > > Bunnies aren’t cute like everybody supposes ! > They’ve got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses ! > And what’s with all the carrots ? > What do they need such good eyesight for anyway ? > Bunnies, bunnies, it must be BUNNIIIIIIIIIES ! > \* > [@Jackmannii](#): > > \*And when I get up early in the morning to go out to the chicken house to feed my little tiny baby chickens > oh those crazy little bunnies they follow on after me just hop hop hop hop hop hop hopping like the dickens. > > Here chickee chickee chickee chickee get away from me bunny you bother me. Get out of here you crazy little bunnies\* > > You wanna [buy](http://www.themadmusicarchive.com/song_details.aspx?SongID=1026) a bunny? _Night of the Lepus_…was a documentary!! Dun-dun-DDDUUUUUUHHH! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-wtc-7-sabotaged/553649/104 "2010-09-15T21:35:56Z")
> [@Mozart1220](#): > > And managed to fall straight down into it’s own footprint, shortly after the owner ordered the NYFD to “pull it”. How convenient was THAT? It didn’t (ref: Fiterman Hall) and even if it did… so what? Do you have some expertise in demolition telling you this is suspicious? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-wtc-7-sabotaged/553649/105 "2010-09-15T22:16:06Z")
> [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](#): > > _Night of the Lepus_…was a documentary!! > > Dun-dun-DDDUUUUUUHHH! Well, at least everyone stopped talking about the wombats. Wait, what? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-wtc-7-sabotaged/553649/106 "2010-09-15T22:38:54Z")
[QUOTE=Mozart1220] And managed to fall straight down into it’s own footprint, shortly after the owner ordered the NYFD to “pull it”. How convenient was THAT? [/QUOTE] Seriously man, you are an idiot. It took hours for the building to fall. You seem to think that we all just fell off the turnip truck on this subject. That you can assert any amount of bullshit and people will believe it. Not that anyone could get any idea through your idiots skull, but for anyone following along: > [@](#): > > After 9:59 am: WTC Building 7 appears damaged > > ``` > WTC Building 7 appears to have suffered significant damage at some point after the WTC towers had collapsed, according to firefighters at the scene. Firefighter Butch Brandies tells other firefighters that nobody is to go into Building 7 because of creaking and noises coming out of there. According to Deputy Chief Peter Hayden, there is a bulge in the southwest corner of the building between floors 10 and 13. Battalion Chief John Norman later recalls, "At the edge of the south face you could see that it was very heavily damaged." Deputy Chief Nick Visconti also later recalls recounts, "A big chunk of the lower floors had been taken out on the Vesey Street side." Captain Chris Boyle recalls, "On the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors." > > ``` > > 4:30 pm: WTC Building 7 Area is Evacuated > > ``` > The area around WTC Building 7 is evacuated at this time. New York fire department chief officers, who have surveyed the building, have determined it is in danger of collapsing. Several senior firefighters have described this decision-making process. According to fire chief Daniel Nigro, "The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged building [WTC Building 7]. A number of fire offices and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt." > > ``` So…building damaged at 9:59 am (that’s in the morning for the mentally challenged). Building evacuated at 4:30 pm (that’s in the afternoon…like in after NOON, ehe?) because a fire had been raging unchecked in a building that had been massively damaged by debris falling from the other two towers (that didn’t ‘fall in their own footprint’). Notice the time difference? How ‘convenient’ is THAT, ehe? Ehe? As for the famous ‘pull it’ quote, this happened after the fire chief informed Larry Silverstein that due to the uncontrolled fire and damage the building was in danger of collapse, so Larry basically was saying not to continue to fight the fire and endanger any more lives than had already been lost…IOW, a translation for the idiotic, he was saying ‘get the fuck out and let the building fall if that’s what’s going to happen’. -XT ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-wtc-7-sabotaged/553649/107 "2010-09-16T01:01:31Z")
> [@Mozart1220](#): > > Seriously, I don’t know why we pay these so calle professionals so much money and allow them weeks of prep time, when all we have to do is lob a couple barrels of kerosine into an upper floor window and set it off. The buildings would be down in a hour or so. > > It’s a scam I tell ya. I suspect it’s because the savings from your technique would be more than offset by the legal fees when the people across the street sue you after your building falls onto theirs\*. \*Note for the intelligence-impaired: Which happened with WTC 7. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-wtc-7-sabotaged/553649/108 "2010-09-16T02:43:55Z")
Maybe I’m just tired, but I have no clue what’s going on here. Is there some new horse shit conspiracy theory going around? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-wtc-7-sabotaged/553649/109 "2010-09-16T02:51:15Z")
Nope…it’s the same old horseshit. However, we just had the anniversary of 9/11 recently, so a lot of Truffers came out of the woodwork. And Mozart1220 seems to have a real hard on to do the whole zen ‘debate without debating’ thingy about 9/11 CTs (as well as JFK CTs), since I’ve seen him mention both in every thread I’ve seen him in thus far. My guess is he is not long for the board, but maybe that’s just wishful thinking on my part. After all, Gonzo is still with us, and I figured he’d be gone by now… -XT ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-wtc-7-sabotaged/553649/110 "2010-09-16T03:41:24Z")
Seriously dumbo, the building burned for a few hours . That much is true. But the fires were local, one area then another. It did not engulf the whole bldg. Buildings don’t fall from fires, surely not a modern American upscale building that was reinforced after it was opened. Oh wait, the WTC buildings fell like pancakes. What great monuments to American building standards. Sorry to disappoint you. But the board needs like you people who evolution has managed to grow deep knee pads as a physical characteristic. I wait for you to come up with an idea that is interesting. It has not happened yet. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-wtc-7-sabotaged/553649/111 "2010-09-16T03:54:42Z")
😛 You really are too stupid for words, Gonzo ole buddy. Perhaps if you did some research on the subject and…oh, what am I thinking? You are incapable of doing research or even of having a thought in your empty head. I’m not interested in trying to educate you (a patent impossibility) as to why tower 7 fell, or why it had little to do with faults in the architecture or failure to comply with standards. Your own bizarre CT is at least charming in that it stems from your incredible stupidity coupled with a healthy measure of ignorance, as demonstrated by your lack of understanding of even the basics of the subject at hand. At least you aren’t an evil scummy bastard like most of the other CTers that periodically plague the board (including those incredible idiots who created the Loose Change videos). You are just an ignorant fool, who has delusions of adequacy. Compared to the regular CTers, hell…you are practically, um, an ok guy. Sort of… -XT ---
**Author:** ![Algorithm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/algorithm/32/12204_2.png) [@Algorithm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algorithm)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-wtc-7-sabotaged/553649/112 "2010-09-16T03:57:57Z")
> [@Mozart1220](#): > > And managed to fall straight down into it’s own footprint, shortly after the owner ordered the NYFD to “pull it”. How convenient was THAT? Why don’t you tell me, from memory, _exactly_ what you think Larry Silverstein said? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-wtc-7-sabotaged/553649/113 "2010-09-16T05:15:29Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Maybe I’m just tired, but I have no clue what’s going on here. Is there some new horse shit conspiracy theory going around? Some joking, some rerunning of old WTC conspiracy theories for round #2143. Oh, and the Towers were knocked down by combat wombats riding battle bunnies. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-wtc-7-sabotaged/553649/114 "2010-09-16T05:39:27Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Oh, and the Towers were knocked down by combat wombats riding battle bunnies. Everyone knows wombats don’t ride rabbits. They ride Holsteins. It was combat wombats riding battle cattle that did in the towers. ---
**Author:** ![Patch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@Patch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patch)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-wtc-7-sabotaged/553649/115 "2010-09-16T06:02:18Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > > > Oh, and the Towers were knocked down by combat wombats riding battle bunnies. > > Everyone knows wombats don’t ride rabbits. They ride Holsteins. > > It was combat wombats riding battle cattle that did in the towers. I thought it was Frodo and Sam that did that? No wonder I never understood those books. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-wtc-7-sabotaged/553649/116 "2010-09-16T07:53:44Z")
> [@yoyodyne](#): > > > [@gonzomax](#): > > > > Actually there was a law suit which hit the court in 2009. The insurance company found that the diesel fuel tanks had been cited for safety problems in 1998 and 1999. The had storage tanks with 40,000 gallons on the 23rd floor. Bldg 7 had been reinforced so it could eliminate floors if leasees had wanted them to. > > The judge found the design and construction were not factors in the drop of the bldg but it rewarded only 10 percent of the money the owners asked for. > > But the insurance company invested a lot of money in court because they thought the design and construction was flawed. The judge said they were not but he did slash the amount rewarded tremendously. > > There were no tanks or fuel on the 23rd floor. The highest fuel was a 50 gallon tank on the 9th floor. There was a 6,000 gallon tank on the 1st floor, and 4 tanks totalling 36,000 gallons buried outside of the building. Then how did they fuel the trucks on the 23rd floor? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-wtc-7-sabotaged/553649/117 "2010-09-16T11:11:49Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > > [@yoyodyne](#): > > > > There were no tanks or fuel on the 23rd floor. The highest fuel was a 50 gallon tank on the 9th floor. There was a 6,000 gallon tank on the 1st floor, and 4 tanks totalling 36,000 gallons buried outside of the building. > > Then how did they fuel the trucks on the 23rd floor? Wombat juice. It all comes down to the wombats. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-wtc-7-sabotaged/553649/118 "2010-09-16T12:27:45Z")
I used to be a wombat. I got better. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-wtc-7-sabotaged/553649/119 "2010-09-16T12:31:19Z")
> [@Autolycus](#): > > I used to be a wombat. I got better. I didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-wtc-7-sabotaged/553649/120 "2010-09-16T13:23:17Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > It was combat wombats riding battle cattle that did in the towers. But who had the vessel with the pestle? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-wtc-7-sabotaged/553649.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-wtc-7-sabotaged/553649.md?page=7)