Engineer huh? What kind?
Amtrak or freight?
Do you get to wear one of those cool striped hats?
Cause I know from reading your posts you are not a structural engineer.
Deal with the material kiddies. The info I provided is sound in regards to structural engineering. I made up nothing. Try to pay attention.
Well then, case closed…you lose. Thanks for playing, we have some fine parting gifts, stage left…
So what? There weren’t structurally damaged, their fire proofing and fire fighting systems were damaged, and logistically they could and did support fire fighters, you know, fighting fires inside and outside the structure.
You don’t seem to grasp this, so I’m really saying this for others that might be following along, but it wasn’t JUST the fires that brought down any of the 3 buildings in question. It was, as has been told to you more times than should be necessary for even a mentally challenged amoeba to grasp the point, a COMBINATION of events that brought first the Twin Towers down, and later Building 7. If you take away that combination then there is no reason to believe that the Towers or Building 7 would have collapsed in the manner they did.
Too funny. For one thing, I am well aware of this fact…it’s you who seem to have a shaky grasp of what it means exactly. Namely, that while yes, they do TRY and over engineer for unforeseen disasters, they can’t possibly engineer and construct systems that can meet every improbable event. In addition, as I tried to point out to you, the buildings were built between 20-30 years ago, which meant that the complex computer models that are used today to test designs DID NOT EXIST then…so they used more empirical design techniques that weren’t nearly as detailed or robust as today. Of course, this also meant that the standards and materials have changed over time as well, becoming more rigorous today than they were when the WTC complex was built. So, you have a combination of a SERIES of worst case events hitting all at once, which lead to the complete failure of 3 different buildings. It wasn’t poor design or bad implementation, it was bad LUCK (or good, if you happened to be the terrorists).
And just FTR, I’m a NETWORK Engineer that specializes in telecommunications and networks infrastructure. My school background is in aerospace engineering with a math minor, and my secondary degrees were in computer science and management and information systems. True, I had to take statics, dynamics, statistical analysts as well as some EE and CE classes, but that’s not my background. I never claimed to be an expert with any of this stuff, and in fact wouldn’t claim to be an expert even in the subjects I DID major in (especially aerospace engineering, since I’ve never worked a day in that field). I simply know more about this that YOU do…which isn’t really saying much, to be honest.
Too funny.
-XT
Wait, they weren’t riding battle bunnies, they were flying under sattelite control. That’s right Comsat Tomcat Combat Wombats brought down WTC7!
Stop making gonzo sad! I don’t wanna repeat of this!
uiin. uiin. uiin. uiin. uiin. uiin.
There. Now you have a few spare.
I believe I understand your thesis. It’s than any thing that is ever destroyed by anything was poorly designed. Surely anything well-designed would be able to withstand being on fire for hours. Hell, surely anything well-designed would refuse to burn. You know, on principle. Smack it in the side with an airplane, slather jet fuel across several floors, and then set it alight - any respectable building would just give a scornful look as the flames instantly died out, and then automatically send out a memo for the cleaning people to come scrape the remains of the airplane off of its undamaged outer wall.
I can totally get alongside your theory of Proper Design. If the goddamn moon had fallen on top of WTC7 it should have shrugged it off; there’s no real excuse for anything else. And fire? Destructive? Pshaw. Fire is completely harmless; nothing in the universe has ever been even damaged by fire. What an absurd notion. Ordinary humans have been set on fire all throughout history with no adverse consequences; what could it do to a building?
So yes, I completely agree with you “structural integrity” as a concept is a load of shit, because any well-designed building is completely indestructible.
Hey, dose wuz New York buildin’s. When the plane hit, they shoulda said “Hey, I’m standin’ here! I’m standin’ here!”
Fuggedaboudid.
(I’m now trying to picture the look on WTC7’s building designers faces if you asked them if they had accounted for the possibility that large flaming chunks of the twin towers might fall on it, and built it to withstand the impacts with minimal damage.)
I’m imagining a bunch of engineers being berated by a guy in a stereotypical ancient Egyptian outfit waving an architectural diagram of a pyramid.
“I told you how to build buildings that would last. I told you! But would you listen? Noooo…”
Related, a couple of guys stand near the base of the under-construction Tower of Pisa. One says to the other: “So I skimped a little on the foundation. Nobody’ll ever know.”
Oh, yeah, The WTC towers fell down. Surprised you didn’t hear – it was on the news.
From Wikipedia on Tube Design
Not exactly a unique design is it.
As for WTC 7, it had the same tube frame design, but only above the 7th floor.
Right, right, stop it. This thread’s got silly. Started off with a nice little idea about wombats attacking large buildings, but now it’s got silly. This man’s hair is too long for an ancient Egyption engineer too. The architectural diagram of the pyramid is pretty badly made. Right, now for a complete change of mood.
*Cut to man in dirty raincoat.*
*Man In Dirty Raincoat: * I’ve heard of unisex but I’ve never had it.
I’d tax Raquel Welch… and I have a feeling she’d tax me.
She’s 70-something and probably held together with baling wire and surgical tape. I have a feeling that a vibrator would tax her at this point…
Hey, whippersnapper! I’m 66 and definitely NOT held together with bailing wire. I think this must be a commonly held misconception. Being a Senior doesn’t mean you’re dead, nor that your body is dead. Sure, somethings are a bit saggy, compared to someone in their 20s-40s. Get over it.
She’d burn you out in a heartbeat. You should be so lucky.
unobtrusively watches that nerve that was touched twanging…
What do you have against baling wire, anyway?
After all, wasn’t it combat wombats with baling wire (or was it baleen whales? I get so confused…) that pulled down WTC7? After all, we know it wasn’t anything having to do with being on fire and having chunks of burning detritus fall on it.
Now we’re talkin bout twin towers.
Cut to Darth Nader, seated naked before what can sadly at this point only be called “his organ”.
{Plays intro}
“And now–”