# Wicked- The Musical

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wicked-the-musical/227624>\
**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [February 5, 2004, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wicked-the-musical/227624 "2004-02-05T05:14:54Z")\
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**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wicked-the-musical/227624/21 "2004-07-26T21:51:56Z")

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> My take on the musical was that she turned “wicked” by defying Madame Morrible and the Wizard. And she defied them after being tricked into mutilating the monkeys which the Wizard wanted as a secret police force. Plus, what annieclaus said.

Let’s distinguish between her BEING wicked, in her own mind, and her being _painted_ as wicked.

The latter occurs after she refuses to ally herself with the Wizard (and, in effect, Madame Morrible) when she discovers what they’re up to – the last point at which she might have been convinced to do otherwise (“Wonderful”) ends when she sees Dr. Dillamond in the shadows, now just a mute animal.

But she’s convinced she’s doing the right thing, against them (“Defying Gravity”). It’s only after Madame Morrible has used her Press Secretary position to paint such a picture of Elpheba _and_ she’s had the …

… misfortunes of Boq (partly her fault, if only by giving Nessa access to the Grimmercy) and Fieyro (sacrificed to save her, and turned by her spell to save his life) and, indeed, Nessa herself, whose death was a pawn’s sacrifice by the Wizard, Madame M., and unknowingly Glinda.

It’s only AFTER all that that she’s WICKED, in the sense that she’s saying, “To hell with trying to do good.”

- Rick

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**Author:** ![SmackFu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/53a042/32.png) [@SmackFu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmackFu)\
**Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wicked-the-musical/227624/22 "2004-07-27T01:49:45Z")

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> [@solasscc](#):
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> FYI: for all of you considering trying to see Wicked! with Kristin Chenoweth (Glinda) and Norbert Leo Butz (Fiyero), their last performance will be on July 18.

Gee, I wouldn’t want to be the one replacing Kristin. That character is all her. Will the new actress just be playing Chenoweth playing Glinda?

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