# Wikileaks has released the documents **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 28, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wikileaks-has-released-the-documents/562198 "2010-11-28T19:56:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sablicious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@Sablicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sablicious)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2010, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wikileaks-has-released-the-documents/562198/21 "2010-11-28T23:08:00Z")
**EDIT:** “_**the [Wikileaks] release will put many lives at risk**_” -US State Dept. I’ve nary heard a more lustrous piece of comedic gold since [George Carlin’s stand-up](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o) commentary on religion! **wipes tears of laughter from eyes** ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2010, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wikileaks-has-released-the-documents/562198/22 "2010-11-28T23:20:46Z")
> [@Sablicious](#): > > China using their fangled super computers for hacking Western goverment servers?! Shock and/or horror!! :eek: > [/sarcasm] Can you post a link for me? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2010, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wikileaks-has-released-the-documents/562198/23 "2010-11-28T23:41:45Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Oh darn. You have to wonder why they bother. One way or another, online or in print, every document is going to get published. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2010, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wikileaks-has-released-the-documents/562198/24 "2010-11-28T23:44:54Z")
I don’t actually see any files anywhere, just analysis and some excerpts on a few news sites. The Guardian’s interactive database certainly doesn’t seem to have thousands of cables, unless I’m using it wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Sablicious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@Sablicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sablicious)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2010, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wikileaks-has-released-the-documents/562198/25 "2010-11-28T23:47:36Z")
> [@sh1bu1](#): > > Can you post a link for me? Just [Google it](http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/mapping-babel-10017967/wikileaks-chinas-politburo-directed-google-hack-10021174/). China have - lol! ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2010, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wikileaks-has-released-the-documents/562198/26 "2010-11-28T23:51:26Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > I don’t actually see any files anywhere, just analysis and some excerpts on a few news sites. > > The Guardian’s interactive database certainly doesn’t seem to have thousands of cables, unless I’m using it wrong. There seems to be more here: [WikiLeaks embassy cables: download the key data and see how it breaks down | The US embassy cables | The Guardian](http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/nov/29/wikileaks-cables-data?intcmp=239) ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2010, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wikileaks-has-released-the-documents/562198/27 "2010-11-28T23:54:28Z")
You can download every cable with date, time and tags, EXCLUDING BODY TEXT. :rolleyes: > **[WikiLeaks embassy cables: download the key data and see how it breaks down](https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/nov/29/wikileaks-cables-data?intcmp=239)** > > The WikiLeaks embassy cables release has produced a lot of stories but does it produce any useful data? We explain what it includes and how it breaks down - plus you can download the key data for every cable ---
**Author:** ![MysteryFellow63427](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@MysteryFellow63427](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysteryFellow63427)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wikileaks-has-released-the-documents/562198/28 "2010-11-29T00:03:47Z")
What’s the debate here? ---
**Author:** ![tingbudong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tingbudong/32/520_2.png) [@tingbudong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tingbudong)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wikileaks-has-released-the-documents/562198/29 "2010-11-29T00:11:08Z")
That hack efforts against Western private and government organizations is CCP operating procedure is hardly anything new. However, it’s also been standard practice of said organizations to never _officially_ point the finger at the Chinese government. Even the guys who busted [Ghostnet](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GhostNet) were publicly cryptic about who exactly was behind it. I don’t expect much to change with the Wikileak documents. Although I do think that companies and governments need to be more assertive about cybersecurity when dealing with China. State to State espionage is one thing (just part of the diplomatic game), but when a government actively funds, supports and possibly directly engages in IP theft it can really undermine innovation and competitiveness…it’s quite the free subsidy to Chinese companies. I knew an engineer who worked for the French glasswork company [Arc](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_International) when I lived in China. He had a dedicated notebook computer for his China work that never left the country, had it wiped clean twice a year, never accepted complementary USB keys from anyone in China and never put any USB device that wasn’t his into the computer (and that was just a glass company). ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wikileaks-has-released-the-documents/562198/30 "2010-11-29T00:30:14Z")
Wikileaks themselves now have it up: [http://cablegate.wikileaks.org](http://cablegate.wikileaks.org) ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wikileaks-has-released-the-documents/562198/31 "2010-11-29T00:32:03Z")
**neuroman** , No real debate I guess. If it’s in the wrong place a mod can move it. ---
**Author:** ![Sri\_Theo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Sri\_Theo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sri_Theo)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wikileaks-has-released-the-documents/562198/32 "2010-11-29T01:17:51Z")
This one is interesting [http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/09/09STATE96222.html](http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/09/09STATE96222.html) It says “we have information the French firm Sofradir and its subsidiary Ulis continue to sell cooled and uncooled infrared detectors to China’s Zhejiang Dali Technology Company Ltd for incorporation into thermal imaging systems.” Which could imply industrial espionage- why would an embassy know something like that? Does that put the Google hacks in a new light? Also this seems promising, [Full-text search](http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/11/09TELAVIV2500.html) "Both sides then discussed the upcoming delivery of GBU-28 bunker busting bombs to Israel, noting that the transfer should be handled quietly to avoid any allegations that the USG is helping Israel prepare for a strike against Iran.? ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wikileaks-has-released-the-documents/562198/33 "2010-11-29T02:05:42Z")
Okay, this one really shocked me until I noticed that it was from 1979. Even so it’s pretty bad. It’s from what was then our embassy in Tehran. It talks as if it’s an academic analysis of the “Persian Mindset”, when really it’s a bigoted screed that’s basically calling Iranians lazy, irresponsible, self-centered, untrustworthy schemers. [http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/1979/08/79TEHRAN8980.html](http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/1979/08/79TEHRAN8980.html) ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wikileaks-has-released-the-documents/562198/34 "2010-11-29T02:24:43Z")
So the DDOS attack, assuming there was one, has ended? ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wikileaks-has-released-the-documents/562198/35 "2010-11-29T02:36:56Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > So the DDOS attack, assuming there was one, has ended? That appears to be the case. It’s either over, or has been successfully countered. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wikileaks-has-released-the-documents/562198/36 "2010-11-29T02:40:08Z")
Countered? Over? You kidding me? That’s ANOTHER TANGO DOWN! ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wikileaks-has-released-the-documents/562198/37 "2010-11-29T02:41:33Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Okay, this one really shocked me until I noticed that it was from 1979. Even so it’s pretty bad. It’s from what was then our embassy in Tehran. It talks as if it’s an academic analysis of the “Persian Mindset”, when really it’s a bigoted screed that’s basically calling Iranians lazy, irresponsible, self-centered, untrustworthy schemers. > > [Full-text search](http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/1979/08/79TEHRAN8980.html) It’s documents like this and the childish assessments of international figures (“Medvedev plays Robin to Putin’s Batman”, Kim Jong-Il is a “flabby old chap”) that really make me question the mentality of the diplomats in general. Are they really serving their countries best interests by making such inane observations? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wikileaks-has-released-the-documents/562198/38 "2010-11-29T02:46:32Z")
> [@mil0](#): > > Edit: Heh, if you go down the list, it seems all of his tangos are up. Some “hackivist.” > [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > Countered? Over? > > You kidding me? > > That’s ANOTHER TANGO DOWN! “Tangos”? ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wikileaks-has-released-the-documents/562198/39 "2010-11-29T02:51:16Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > “Tangos”? If you visit his Twitter feed he’s got a loooooooooong list of sites (most of them “Jihadist” sites) that he’s supposedly attacked and dismantled. Next to each one he’s got “TANGO DOWN”. Funny enough, all the sites, if you visit them, are up. A select few sites have the label “TANGO DOWN - INDEFINITELY”. One of the sites he’s supposedly taken down indefinitely? Wikileaks. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wikileaks-has-released-the-documents/562198/40 "2010-11-29T02:55:50Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > If you visit his Twitter feed he’s got a loooooooooong list of sites (most of them “Jihadist” sites) that he’s supposedly attacked and dismantled. Next to each one he’s got “TANGO DOWN”. Ah, that explains it. I was googling the Net in general and checked Wikipedia under the assumption it was some general slang I hadn’t run across. Twitter gets under my skin so I was avoiding it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wikileaks-has-released-the-documents/562198.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wikileaks-has-released-the-documents/562198.md?page=3)