# Wild garlic = non-kosher. Huh? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [August 25, 2014, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441 "2014-08-25T05:20:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Flywheel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Flywheel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flywheel)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/21 "2014-08-25T17:43:15Z")
> [@jtur88](#): > > I understand about the 18, but how is the Minute defined in Jewish law, such that a period of time has numerological significance? The length of a minute is arbitrarily constructed without reference to Jewish law. Any value on earth can be subdivided into 18 arbitrary units. For example, if it were significant to regard something 18 miles away, just call it 29 kilometers and save yourself all the angst. Yes, but these go to eleven. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/22 "2014-08-25T17:52:15Z")
> [@callander](#): > > I would like to know why the change in matzah, at the time of the Exodus matzah was more of what we would call pita today, why and when did that change to its current version and variations ie egg matzah et al. I believe it is an effort to be certain that it is unleavened. It is not known as the bread of affliction for nothing. 🙂 What I want to know about it pita. These guys could make bread that opened like a pocket, and all they had was fire and a rock. How the heck did they do that? ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/23 "2014-08-25T19:13:14Z")
> [@callander](#): > > I would like to know why the change in matzah, at the time of the Exodus matzah was more of what we would call pita today, why and when did that change to its current version and variations ie egg matzah et al. My understanding is that the change happened when a company started mass-producing matzah (rather than each family make their own), in the 1900s. They changed from roundish (like pita, but pita is leavened) to square because they were easier to mass produce and box (and they employ lots of people to put those little corrugation lines on them 😉 )\* - [sub]Smilie for **kaylasdad99** [/sub] ---
**Author:** ![callander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed655f/32.png) [@callander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/callander)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/24 "2014-08-25T19:56:14Z")
They still make pita with a stone, cloth and fire all over the ME, yummy plus! Yes those darn little corrugation lines, have heard some weird theories on what that means from non Jews. The weirdest was that they are symbolic of some thorny crown worn by a man some 2000 year ago, bizarre. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/25 "2014-08-25T20:07:43Z")
> [@callander](#): > > Yes those darn little corrugation lines, have heard some weird theories on what that means from non Jews. The weirdest was that they are symbolic of some thorny crown worn by a man some 2000 year ago, bizarre. It is to soak up the Christian baby blood. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![callander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed655f/32.png) [@callander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/callander)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/26 "2014-08-25T20:10:13Z")
Hi CP I know right? Don’t forget the hole in the bed sheet ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/27 "2014-08-25T20:13:07Z")
> [@callander](#): > > Hi CP > > I know right? Don’t forget the hole in the bed sheet I think that is just those of use who are Conservative. ---
**Author:** ![callander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed655f/32.png) [@callander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/callander)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/28 "2014-08-25T20:17:48Z")
CP, My bad 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/29 "2014-08-25T20:31:28Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > What I want to know about it pita. These guys could make bread that opened like a pocket, and all they had was fire and a rock. How the heck did they do that? And not necessarily even fire. You got a hunk of dough and water, and threw it down on a hot stone in the desert, and presto! bread. Well, matzah. One of the reasons matzah has such symbolic significance in biblical texts is that it’s the simplest bread, the most natural, the easiest, involves the least amount of civilization intruding on nature. (You gotta have some civilization or you wouldn’t have the grain, of course.) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/30 "2014-08-25T20:37:25Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#): > > And not necessarily even fire. You got a hunk of dough and water, and threw it down on a hot stone in the desert, and presto! bread. Well, matzah. One of the reasons matzah has such symbolic significance in biblical texts is that it’s the simplest bread, the most natural, the easiest, involves the least amount of civilization intruding on nature. (You gotta have some civilization or you wouldn’t have the grain, of course.) Yes, but how do they get the hole in there? Is it a bubble made when the flat bread rises? Or did Moses and Aaron just wrap the bread around their fellafel? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/31 "2014-08-25T21:16:59Z")
Now let’s all get this straight. You put the garlic in the spelt And call me in the morning. ---
**Author:** ![callander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed655f/32.png) [@callander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/callander)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/32 "2014-08-25T21:28:00Z")
I am going, with we can be light heartted here, as we are on the topic of matzah, and please don’t be judgmental if you are reading this and are reform, conservative, orthodox whatever and wherever you may hold, I find we are divisive with the labels we impose on each other and it hasn’t provided a lot of unity to date, so if one is getting a tattoo on Shabbos or doing Kiddish a yid is a yid to me, so no offense meant with the following story, and I can’t use names, but hear goes. Last Pesach at the Seder a child says what is with the house of bondage so her brother tells her to goggle it, she does, looks up in surprise and starts goggling again, then she looks up and asked what S n M was all about, I guess she forgot to type Passover and bondage in her search, Bubbie dealt with it well. ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/33 "2014-08-25T23:11:15Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Yes, but how do they get the hole in there? Is it a bubble made when the flat bread rises? You let it bake against the hot stone for a while and then flip it over to the other side and let it bake for a while. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/34 "2014-08-26T00:01:32Z")
I am not Jewish, but I thought the prohibition was against both leavening and seasoning/flavoring the bread. Wouldn’t the problem with the garlic be that it would add flavor? ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/35 "2014-08-26T00:04:36Z")
Found a cite: [http://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach\_cdo/aid/1163475/jewish/Is-Egg-Matzah-Kosher-For-Passover.htm](http://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/1163475/jewish/Is-Egg-Matzah-Kosher-For-Passover.htm) ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/36 "2014-08-26T00:08:44Z")
Here’s one for the veggies as well. Fascinating. This cite says it’s not about the insects, but about the ability to peel the fruit or veggie in order to be absolutely certain not to consume something that came into contact with chametz foodstuffs. [http://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach\_cdo/aid/493085/jewish/Which-vegetables-may-be-eaten-on-Passover.htm](http://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/493085/jewish/Which-vegetables-may-be-eaten-on-Passover.htm) I find these rules and the resulting flights of logic utterly fascinating. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/37 "2014-08-26T01:13:27Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > I am not Jewish, but I thought the prohibition was against both leavening and seasoning/flavoring the bread. Wouldn’t the problem with the garlic be that it would add flavor? No, it is the Christian thing that if it is good, it is bad. We Jews just try to figure out ways around the commandments to obey the commandments. That is probably why we make such good lawyers. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/38 "2014-08-26T06:54:20Z")
I think there should be a blessing for the soft margarine you put on the matzoh. Personally, I go by the argument “What are the chances that the cow that gave the milk that made this cheese is the same cow that gave birth to the cow they made this hamburger out of?” And eggs? Dairy or parve? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/39 "2014-08-26T12:30:24Z")
> [@Ranger\_Jeff](#): > > Personally, I go by the argument “What are the chances that the cow that gave the milk that made this cheese is the same cow that gave birth to the cow they made this hamburger out of?” > > And eggs? Dairy or parve? I tried that on my Rabbi, and he said it is the idea of eating blood, meaning life has been taken, and milk, which sustains life at the same time is not good. Eggs are parve. They are still in the shell, not alive yet. ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/40 "2014-08-26T14:28:20Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I tried that on my Rabbi, and he said it is the idea of eating blood, meaning life has been taken, and milk, which sustains life at the same time is not good. All it _says_ is “Thou shalt not seethe the flesh of the kid in the milk of its mother.” Besides, if the burger is at least medium, there’s no blood anyway. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441.md?page=3)