# Wild garlic = non-kosher. Huh? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [August 25, 2014, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441 "2014-08-25T05:20:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/41 "2014-08-26T15:11:35Z")
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**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/42 "2014-08-26T17:13:00Z")
> [@Ranger\_Jeff](#): > > I think there should be a blessing for the soft margarine you put on the matzoh. There is. It’s the one for “various things.” But any time bread or matzah is served at a meal, that blessing supersedes all others. > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I tried that on my Rabbi, and he said it is the idea of eating blood, meaning life has been taken, and milk, which sustains life at the same time is not good. > > Eggs are parve. They are still in the shell, not alive yet. Unless there’s a red dot. Don’t eat it if it has a red dot. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/43 "2014-08-26T17:42:30Z")
> [@Ranger\_Jeff](#): > > All it _says_ is “Thou shalt not seethe the flesh of the kid in the milk of its mother.” Besides, if the burger is at least medium, there’s no blood anyway. G-d: “Moses, don’t seethe a kid in it’s mother’s milk.” Moses: “Does that mean we need two sets of plates?” “Moses. Don’t seethe a kid in it’s Mother’s milk.” “Do we have to wait a certain amount of time between them?” “Moses. Don’t seethe a kid in it’s Mother’s milk.” “What if we mess up and use a plate has had dairy on it for meat?” “Oye, Mosesm do whatever you want!” ---
**Author:** ![Leo\_Bloom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leo_bloom/32/10377_2.png) [@Leo\_Bloom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Bloom)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/44 "2014-08-26T20:36:03Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > Now the LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them, “Speak to the children of Israel, saying, 'These are the plants which you may eat among all the plants that are on the earth: Among the plants whatever divides the bulb, having cloven bulbs and growing in the garden; that you may eat. Nevertheless these you shall not eat among those that grow wild or those that have cloven bulbs…” > > No? Actually, it was more like “mannah, schmannah, it’s the garlic we _want_”: 4 And the mixt multitude that was among them fell a lusting: and the children of Israel also wept again, and said, Who shall give us flesh to eat? 5 We remember the fish, which we did eat in Egypt freely; the cucumbers, and the melons, and the leeks, and the onions, and the garlick: 6 But now our soul is dried away: there is nothing at all, beside this manna, before our eyes. **Numbers XI:4-6** So we would be eating _shmurah_ garlic. But that’s slave talk. [_“Shmurah”_==Heb. “watched over”, the kind of super-special matzoh that that particular wheat patch was intended for] ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/45 "2014-08-26T22:19:03Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > G-d: “Moses, don’t seethe a kid in it’s mother’s milk.” > Moses: “Does that mean we need two sets of plates?” > “Moses. Don’t seethe a kid in it’s Mother’s milk.” > “Do we have to wait a certain amount of time between them?” > “Moses. Don’t seethe a kid in it’s Mother’s milk.” > “What if we mess up and use a plate has had dairy on it for meat?” > “Oye, Mosesm do whatever you want!” OK, humor aside, the rabbis who discussed and debated the rules way back when discussed two approaches to the law: one was holistic, that the law meant what it said. That was rejected in favor of the interpretation that the law was perfect, and often implied more than simp;ly what was said. The idea was that no word (or even letter) was superfluous. Thus, if a rule (“don’t seethe a kid in its mothers milk”) was repeated three times (as this one was), there must be more to the law than the simple statement. If only the simple meaning was intended, then stating it once woud have been enough. Similarly, the rule about not eating anything leaven on Passover is repeated, and therefore is taken to imply being really, really strict. Modern-day Reform Jews discard this as a product of its time; modern-day Orthodox accept it as binding; and modern-day Conservatives … well, are sort of on the fence. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/46 "2014-08-26T22:47:03Z")
Thanks, Dexter. I converted Conservative, and did not realize that they were on the fence. The kitchen at the Conservative Synagogue in New Hampshire was run like a bio lab. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2014, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/47 "2014-08-27T01:10:44Z")
I suspect that in the time when Moses gave the Laws to the Hebrews, and when the rabbis were writing the Talmud and it’s commentaries, the ceramics industry wasn’t what it was now. That is to say, plates and bowls were more likely to be carved from wood or unglazed fired clay. So, they might have been porous. At least, more so than the Cornelle stuff in my cabinets. And they didn’t have GE dishwashers back then either. So it’s likely to me they didn’t have the capability of really scrubbing clean their dishware and there was a possibility of some meat or milk stuff remaining on plates after being washed. So, to create that desired fence around the Law/Torah to protect it, if you have separate dishware for dairy and meat, there’s no chance of you mixing them by accident. ---
**Author:** ![Shinna\_Minna\_Ma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f08c70/32.png) [@Shinna\_Minna\_Ma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shinna_Minna_Ma)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/48 "2014-08-28T18:16:51Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > Passover is seriously anal compulsive season for food in the faith - the matzoh is made specially so there is absolutely no chance of fermentation in the dough so anything other than flour, water and salt is strictly forbidden . . . Matza is not made with salt, at least not the matzah used for Passover. There are other kinds of matzah made during the year (garlic matzah, everything matzah, etc.), but these kinds are not kosher for Passover. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/49 "2014-08-28T19:13:38Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Yes, but how do they get the hole in there? Is it a bubble made when the flat bread rises? > Or did Moses and Aaron just wrap the bread around their fellafel? Yes, it’s a big bubble: [http://www.itsfordinner.com/recipe/pita-bread](http://www.itsfordinner.com/recipe/pita-bread) It’s cooked really really hot, really really quick and the steam creates a bubble. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/50 "2014-08-28T19:43:00Z")
Thanks, gigi! You have Fought Ignorance. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441/51 "2014-08-28T20:53:05Z")
I had lavash served puffed up in a big bowl once too. I’m assuming it’s the same idea as pita. > **[Puffed Lavash](https://travelingev.com/2012/06/armenian-food-curiosities/puffed-lavash/)** > > Usually lavash is flat and thin [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wild-garlic-non-kosher-huh/696441.md?page=2)