# Wildest Bill brings up an interesting point about the term 'Fundie'. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 20, 2001, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wildest-bill-brings-up-an-interesting-point-about-the-term-fundie/82893 "2001-09-20T22:35:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2001, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wildest-bill-brings-up-an-interesting-point-about-the-term-fundie/82893/81 "2001-09-25T18:45:54Z")
**WildestBill** sez : > [@](#): > > So with this reasoning are you saying anytime I see a gay person trying to shove homosexualality(which I could care less about) though one of those stupid parades :eek: I’ve never seen a parade where folks ‘shove homosexuality’. Just exactly how does one do that? I"ve seen parades wherein folks demonstrate their joy in something (the 4th of July, their celebration of life, Thanksgiving, homecoming etc.), or in protest of something (can’t recall one off the top of my head, but I"m sure it’s happened), but shoving anything, let alone shoving ‘homosexuality’, why the mind boggles at the imagery. ---
**Author:** ![Wildest\_Bill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Wildest\_Bill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wildest_Bill)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2001, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wildest-bill-brings-up-an-interesting-point-about-the-term-fundie/82893/82 "2001-09-25T19:24:24Z")
Esprix, That was one of the nicest rebuttals you have ever given me. You stated your case without insults, pretty fair assumptions and with some taste. I applaud you for that it was a very nice change. I know me and you don’t see eye to eye things but it sure is nicer to calmly debate things. I will give you a rebuttal but they actually do some work around here. So I will get back to you. Wring, I guess it is those parades when they(some homosexuals not all) try to act as dirty as they can during the parade to I guess shock people. That is what I was talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2001, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wildest-bill-brings-up-an-interesting-point-about-the-term-fundie/82893/83 "2001-09-25T19:37:21Z")
Hey Bill-no one is forcing you to attend gay pride parades. Hell, I don’t think I’ve ever seen one except tv clips. Parades aren’t really my thing, anyways. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2001, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wildest-bill-brings-up-an-interesting-point-about-the-term-fundie/82893/84 "2001-09-25T20:02:56Z")
I love a parade. But I will have to back WB up on one point in his discussion with Esprix regarding the term “Jeezer”. As a fairly lax Catholic, I have to take exception to that term. Consider the following: There is a religion based upon the worship of ceiling fans. They have an elaborate religion set up, they do absolutely zero proselytizing, and completely keep to themselves. However, one person in the group goes out and bombs a Home Improvement, as he believes that they are taking advantage of the ceiling fans there, and backs his claim up with complete out-of-context use of their belief system. News of this event get around, and people begin to refer to this person as a “fandie”. The rest of the ceiling fan disciples become completely upset, as they revere the word “fan” above all other words, and this new term completely bastardizes that which they revere. The term “Jeezer” bastardizes the name of Jesus. It is offensive to people who do not fall under your application of the word. I would recommend finding a new word. ---
**Author:** ![Wildest\_Bill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Wildest\_Bill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wildest_Bill)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2001, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wildest-bill-brings-up-an-interesting-point-about-the-term-fundie/82893/85 "2001-09-25T20:04:06Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > [@](#): > > I do not use the term to make fun of Christians, I use the term to insult that very, very small number of people who go out of their way to insult me. Last time I checked, it was still open season to insult Fred Phelps. Why don’t you just insult the people that you disagree with instead of accidently maybe insulting a group of people. > [@](#): > > Wearing a turban is not solely indicative of Muslims or the Taliban, so, yes, using the term “towel-head” is patently inappropriate. However, no one will call you a Jeezer unless you go out of your way to make an issue of it. Get up in my face, and yer a Jeezer; believe what you believe and allow me to believe what I believe, and you’re at least Christian, if not my friend. Ok here I disagree with you because of the Bible. God give us(Christians) a great commission to go out and share the gospel. So if someone ask you about your faith and tells you about Christ, please understand they are just doing their job. > [@](#): > > OK, **Bill** , which part of my post aren’t you understanding? **Polycarp** is a good Christian, IMHO, who spreads love and understanding wherever he goes. His faith is part of who he is without letting it overwhelm him or every statement he makes. Include **Triskademus** in that list. But see that is an opinion. What makes a good Christian is different to different people wouldn’t you say? > [@](#): > > Fred Phelps is a Jeezer. He goes to funerals and pickets “fags” in a deliberate attempt to antagonize and hurt. Using their faith as a weapon against others is due call for contempt, and I use the term “Jeezer” to show that contempt. I don’t know a whole lot about Fred Phelps from what you said I agree with you he is not acting very Christ like. But don’t blame the entire Christian population on one what one one guy does. Your beef is with him not all Christian. I’ll use me as an example I despise muslim terrorist that I tried to call all them towel heads but that is not really fair to all the other turbin wearing muslims that don’t fly into buildings now is it? > [@](#): > > (And, as an aside, going out of your way to contemplate whether or not “towel-head” or “faggot” are appropriate ways to insult someone would seem to me to be far more offensive to someone’s Christian sensibilities than using the lord’s name in vain, IMHO. Well I don’t know about that because taking the Lord’s name in vein is one of the 10 Commandments. > [@](#): > > I figured you’d go down this road. I do not ride by church picnics yelling, “Jeezers!” Are you sure I could have swore I heard something like that coming from the road Sunday. ::just kidding:: > [@](#): > > Ah, but what if someone were to approach you while you were eating dinner, minding your own business with your family, handed you a copy of _The Advocate_, and said, “Homosexuality is a completely acceptable lifestyle, don’t you think?” Guess what? In that particular circumstance, you have my permission to call that person a faggot. Know why? He’s completely out of line, and deserves to be insulted. So am I out of line calling someone a Jeezer when they do _the exact same thing to me_ in a restaurant? Because it’s happened - while I was having dinner with my minister, no less! Again, I see your point but like I said he/she was just doing what they thought they should do because of what Jesus told them to do. Maybe they are new Christians and don’t understand that is not the best way to witness. > [@](#): > > Similarly, if you’re going to participate on this board and read my threads (that others seem to have little or no problem with, BTW), then don’t tell me I’m “flaunting it in your face.” If you can talk about your wife and family, your steroid drug use and your faith in this forum, then most assuredly I can talk about my dates, my religion and my sexual orientation as well. No argument. In all reality I don’t read your gay threads as I am sure you don’t read my steroid threads because there is no interest on both our parts. But some of your other threads are pretty good. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2001, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wildest-bill-brings-up-an-interesting-point-about-the-term-fundie/82893/86 "2001-09-25T20:21:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Wildest Bill \* > \*\*Wring, > > I guess it is those parades when they(some homosexuals not all) try to act as dirty as they can during the parade to I guess shock people. That is what I was talking about. \*\* Kinda depends on what you call ‘actions intended to shock people’ doesn’t it? If you’re talking about hand holding/kissing between members of the same sex and /or cross dressing, then we have widely divergent opinions of ‘actions intending to shock people’ Generally I call hand holding, kissing etc ‘expressions of affection’ and when done publically, then it’s PDA (public displays of affection). If you’re talking about more explicit stuff than that, then, I’d suggest going after Mardi Gras first (public displays of nudity - or at least that’s what the “Coeds Go Wild” video commercials promise- etc.). Do you believe that graphic stuff occurs routinely in gay pride marches? Not as far as I know. ---
**Author:** ![katerina](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e9c0ed/32.png) [@katerina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/katerina)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2001, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wildest-bill-brings-up-an-interesting-point-about-the-term-fundie/82893/87 "2001-09-25T21:16:28Z")
I’ve been reading this board for quite some time now yet don’t post much for various reasons. I must say that I am surprised and impressed by this thread. My general impression of this board was that the “Golden Rule” has been that s/he who subjectively evaluates another poster’s content as ridiculous is granted free reign to target the _poster_ as an object of ridicule. “Because he or she deserved it.” The same rationalization used by wife-beaters. What’s coming across to me is that the vast majority of participants here honestly have no intention to hurt. This is encouraging. I observe that an important element of the culture of this board is a highly refined sense of humour. Yet if I had to generalize, I would say that the rule in place is that _If sarcasm, jabbing, heckling, taunting, condescending, belittling or ridiculing is intended to be humourous, then the risk of hurting someone is reasonable._ I would like to determine when taking the risk of hurting someone is ever reasonable, when condemnation demands contempt. Reading through this thread, the question that began repeating through my mind was “If the dopers stop using the term “Fundie”, then whom will they have to scapegoat?” Esprix gave the answer: “last time I checked, it was still open season to insult Fred Phelps.” I don’t know what Fred Phelps looks like, but I always picture the neighbor guy in the movie ‘American Beauty.’ I try to imagine what would happen if we actually caught the sorry fellow and I put bricks in your hands. How many of you would vomit before you could throw the brick or immediately after having thrown it? I rather think that the majority of you have the humanity to have a soft stomach. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2001, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wildest-bill-brings-up-an-interesting-point-about-the-term-fundie/82893/88 "2001-09-25T21:16:35Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **Wildest Bill** _ > > I guess it is those parades when they(some homosexuals not all) try to act as dirty as they can during the parade to I guess shock people. That is what I was talking about. If it’s so shocking, what are you doing at a gay pride parade? If you’re there of your own volition, quit bitching that you’re having it shoved in your face. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2001, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wildest-bill-brings-up-an-interesting-point-about-the-term-fundie/82893/89 "2001-09-25T21:26:40Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **Munch** _ > > As a fairly lax Catholic, I have to take exception to that term. I see your point, but I disagree. If someone uses their god - in this case, Jesus - as a weapon against me, I have no problem turning it around and using it against them. Of course I realize that those who are _not_ rabid lunatics but still share some of the basic precepts of said loonie’s religious beliefs will take exception, but I hope they realize that I realize that they are _not_ loonies like him. I think the both of us can agree that the extreme example we’ve been using, Fred Phelps, only qualifies as Christian by the thinnest of threads, and even at that it’s only because that’s how he self-identifies. > [@](#): > > The term “Jeezer” bastardizes the name of Jesus. It is offensive to people who do not fall under your application of the word. OK, this is a point well-taken. As at least a first step, I will refrain from capitalizing it. > [@](#): > > I would recommend finding a new word. I still think “jeezer” is appropriate, and we know “fundie” is also under scrutiny, and others ( **Polycarp**?) have used “fundaloonie.” Even a good friend of mine refers to them as the “rabid right” since “religious” isn’t a term she is willing to give them. I’m open to suggestions - do you have any? Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2001, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wildest-bill-brings-up-an-interesting-point-about-the-term-fundie/82893/90 "2001-09-25T21:53:20Z")
Thanks for the reply. > [@](#): > > If someone uses their god - in this case, Jesus - as a weapon against me, I have no problem turning it around and using it against them. I still think this is dangerous, especially for the person using the term. Now, in your example, I would have no problem (i.e. someone using the Christian god as a soapbox for their own agenda) with you using the term “Jeezer” as fair turnabout. However, and I may be mistaken here, I believe I’ve seen you use it on the boards. If a newbie or a lurker or just someone unfamiliar with your use of the term were to read a post of yours using the term, and they were Christian as well, they would possibly take offense, for the reasons I stated above. I think decapitalizing it is a good step - one in which it makes the word not as easily connected with “Jesus” - and may on occasion be brought into question, wherein you would explain your meaning. But that sure seems like a lot of work! I’m trying to come up with an alternative, and will think about it tonight (I have class, and it should be pretty boring, so now I have something to do). I really think “Bible Thumper” is still applicable. It focuses on those who theologically abuse the Bible, and uses the imagery of one who physically abuses the Bible (two instances that are not mutually exclusive). ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2001, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wildest-bill-brings-up-an-interesting-point-about-the-term-fundie/82893/91 "2001-09-25T22:05:29Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **Wildest Bill** _ > > Why don’t you just insult the people that you disagree with instead of accidently maybe insulting a group of people. Because those people insulting me are using their god to insult me. I can’t think of a better way to insult them back. I went to the New York City gay pride parade in '91 and a man stood there and _waved a Bible_ at me and shouted, “Shame on you!” This is not someone looking for a theological debate, this was a man filled with hate, deserving of the title “jeezer” if ever I met one. (My response? “Shame on _you_ for wearing that tie with those pants - ugh!” 😉 ) > [@](#): > > Ok here I disagree with you because of the Bible. God give us(Christians) a great commission to go out and share the gospel. So if someone ask you about your faith and tells you about Christ, please understand they are just doing their job. Sorry, but I don’t buy it. If I want to talk about religion, I’ll ask you, or I’ll take you up on the debate if you ask me kindly and in the appropriate setting - don’t stand on a street corner shouting it in my face or come up to me while I’m eating dinner or regale me with a Chick tract while I’m sitting watching the sunset with my boyfriend. And no, I’m not telling you to “keep it in church where it belongs,” but, like you don’t want a gay couple taunting you and your wife, I don’t want some fanatic waving a Bible in my face _for no good reason_. (Again, I will reiterate that I do not view all Christians as these kinds of religious wackos, but you have to accept that they exist; similarly, I was just as disgusted to learn from one of Dan Savage’s columns that an HIV/AIDS social worker in San Francisco was quoted as going out and having unsafe, anonymous sex. I’m not going to stand there and say he represents the entirety of the gay community, but I’m also not going to stand there and say he doesn’t exist. There are creeps and cretins all over the place of every stripe.) > [@](#): > > But see that is an opinion. What makes a good Christian is different to different people wouldn’t you say? Not me, but since using jeezer is an opinion as well, I’m entitled to it. > [@](#): > > I don’t know a whole lot about Fred Phelps from what you said I agree with you he is not acting very Christ like. But don’t blame the entire Christian population on one what one one guy does. Your beef is with him not all Christian. Indeed, that’s why I am not calling all Christians “jeezers,” only the ones that use their Christianity as a weapon against me. > [@](#): > > I’ll use me as an example I despise muslim terrorist that I tried to call all them towel heads but that is not really fair to all the other turbin wearing muslims that don’t fly into buildings now is it? All Muslims are required to wear a head covering (and someone please correct me if I’m wrong); therefore, they have an outward sign at all times of their faith, so using “towel-head” does, indeed, wash every single person who wears a turban with the same brush. However, the only way I’m going to know you’re Christian is if you go out of your way to tell me, just like you’re not going to know I’m gay unless I go out of my way to tell you. You are not required to wear a cross around your neck (if you do, can I say you’re “flaunting it?”), and I am not required to wear a rainbow pin. Talking about your religious beliefs and/or my sexual orientation is fine - it’s part of who we are. But if you’re going to “come out” to me as a Christian by calling me a sinner, guess what? You get what you ask for, and that would be my disdain. > [@](#): > > Well I don’t know about that because taking the Lord’s name in vein is one of the 10 Commandments. But thinking up creative ways to insult people is ok (I mean, after all, you’ve started threads seeking approval to scorn both Muslims _and_ Atheists)? You have a weird religion, and I’m glad I don’t follow it. > [@](#): > > Maybe they are new Christians and don’t understand that is not the best way to witness. Well, there’s one rationalization. Either way, it doesn’t matter - rude is rude, regardless of your reasons behind it. And if you tell me “God told me to,” you’ll get just as much derision, 'cause at that point, that’ll confirm to me that you are, indeed, a loonie - blaming it on Jesus doesn’t make it any more acceptable. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2001, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wildest-bill-brings-up-an-interesting-point-about-the-term-fundie/82893/92 "2001-09-25T22:09:32Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **wring** _ > > If you’re talking about more explicit stuff than that, then, I’d suggest going after Mardi Gras first… Ding! {hands prize to **wring** } Man, those heterosexuals make me sick, flaunting their sexuality in my face, with their wedding rings and their pictures on their desks and their soap operas and their Mardi Gras. Why do they have to shove it down my throat, day after day, everywhere I turn? I wish they’d just keep it in the bedroom where it belongs! Esprix ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2001, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wildest-bill-brings-up-an-interesting-point-about-the-term-fundie/82893/93 "2001-09-25T22:17:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Wildest Bill \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > OK, **Bill** , which part of my post aren’t you understanding? **Polycarp** is a good Christian, IMHO, who spreads love and understanding wherever he goes. His faith is part of who he is without letting it overwhelm him or every statement he makes. Include **Triskademus** in that list. > > But see that is an opinion. What makes a good Christian is different to different people wouldn’t you say? > \*\* I would venture to say that Jesus has pretty strong opinions about it. He may even have said something about it in the Bible. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2001, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wildest-bill-brings-up-an-interesting-point-about-the-term-fundie/82893/94 "2001-09-25T22:20:09Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **katerina** _ > > I don’t know what Fred Phelps looks like… Wanna see? Wanna do something about it? [Check out how Dopers respond to hate.](http://www.ourdawson.com/phelps/phelps_watch.asp) Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2001, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wildest-bill-brings-up-an-interesting-point-about-the-term-fundie/82893/95 "2001-09-25T22:27:49Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **Munch** _ > > I still think this is dangerous, especially for the person using the term. Now, in your example, I would have no problem (i.e. someone using the Christian god as a soapbox for their own agenda) with you using the term “Jeezer” as fair turnabout. However, and I may be mistaken here, I believe I’ve seen you use it on the boards. If a newbie or a lurker or just someone unfamiliar with your use of the term were to read a post of yours using the term, and they were Christian as well, they would possibly take offense, for the reasons I stated above. Oh, don’t get me wrong - I have no love of Christianity; valid for others, perhaps, but I’ve been known to refer to it as “bunk n’ hooey,” to coin a phrase. So if someone reads it and takes offense, I might have actually meant it as a slam against their faith at the time. (Nice? No, but perhaps called for in that particular discussion.) In general, no, I do not go around insulting Christians at random, but if the topic comes up, don’t get me started. > [@](#): > > I really think “Bible Thumper” is still applicable. It focuses on those who theologically abuse the Bible, and uses the imagery of one who physically abuses the Bible (two instances that are not mutually exclusive). I could live with that. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![katerina](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e9c0ed/32.png) [@katerina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/katerina)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2001, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wildest-bill-brings-up-an-interesting-point-about-the-term-fundie/82893/96 "2001-09-25T22:57:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by **katerina** _ > > > > I don’t know what Fred Phelps looks like… > > Wanna see? Wanna do something about it? > > [Check out how Dopers respond to hate.](http://www.ourdawson.com/phelps/phelps_watch.asp) > > Esprix \*\* That’s pretty amazing. My opinion, but it seems to me to be the appropriate thing to throw back in response. ---
**Author:** ![Padeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@Padeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Padeye)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2001, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wildest-bill-brings-up-an-interesting-point-about-the-term-fundie/82893/97 "2001-09-26T01:08:49Z")
I’m glad I read this thread. I’ve guilty of using the word fundie a little too loosely. I’ll be more careful in the future. We may have to invent a new word for the Jack Chicks and Fred Phelps of the world. ---
**Author:** ![portajon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c0e974/32.png) [@portajon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/portajon)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2001, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wildest-bill-brings-up-an-interesting-point-about-the-term-fundie/82893/98 "2001-09-26T01:28:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SisterCoyote \* > \*\*You know, it’s interesting, because I feel like I’m where whats-his-face was with the “Gay” debate. > > I’ve never used “fundie” and meant it to be a slur in any way. I’ve **used** it, but not as a slur. > > Usually, I use it because I’m too flippin’ lazy to type out fundamentalist (not to mention my concerns over misspelling fundamentalist). > > So I guess I just never saw it as offensive. \*\* So if you don’t mean to convey contempt with the word but others do how should we treat the word? We should all memorize the entire list of words that may be taken as derogatory in some form and not use them? Or should everyone just try to be true to themselves and leave such petty concerns over some many petty words to the petty people who have nothing better to do. ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2001, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wildest-bill-brings-up-an-interesting-point-about-the-term-fundie/82893/99 "2001-09-26T02:45:39Z")
[Moderator Hat: ON] Wildest Bill: Let’s cool it a little, 'kay? Some of your love notes from earlier today went a bit too far. Keep it calm. * * * David B, SDMB Great Debates Moderator [Moderator Hat: OFF] ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2001, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wildest-bill-brings-up-an-interesting-point-about-the-term-fundie/82893/100 "2001-09-26T02:46:41Z")
> [@](#): > > We may have to invent a new word for the Jack Chicks and Fred Phelps of the world. How about [bigots](http://www.bartleby.com/61/24/B0242400.html), [vicious](http://www.bartleby.com/61/87/V0088700.html) [depraved](http://www.bartleby.com/61/52/D0145200.html) [scum](http://www.bartleby.com/61/77/S0177700.html), [despicable](http://www.bartleby.com/61/33/D0163300.html) [hate](http://www.bartleby.com/61/25/H0082500.html)-[mongers](http://www.bartleby.com/61/55/M0385500.html), plus a lot of terms which would not be appropriate for this forum. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wildest-bill-brings-up-an-interesting-point-about-the-term-fundie/82893.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wildest-bill-brings-up-an-interesting-point-about-the-term-fundie/82893.md?page=6)