# Will a Democratic President be elected in 2028? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 27, 2025, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-a-democratic-president-be-elected-in-2028/1020200 "2025-06-27T16:56:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![TheBryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a5b964/32.png) [@TheBryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheBryan)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2025, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-a-democratic-president-be-elected-in-2028/1020200/121 "2025-07-07T14:53:24Z")
Not to mention the fact that most restaurant servers who rely on tipped wages get hit a lot harder with FICA taxes than income tax anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2025, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-a-democratic-president-be-elected-in-2028/1020200/122 "2025-07-07T16:30:56Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > My larger point being that throughout the 110+ posts I keep hearing people say in effect “We (the Ds) must adopt policies and platforms and terminology to which the Right won’t object.” They have to push to the forefront policies and platforms that won’t cause those 20% of people that might not vote to stay home. It has nothing to do with the right not objecting. Of course the Republican campaign will object to anything the other side puts out. That’s their job. It comes down to showing you are the best option to positively affect the lives of the most voter’s. Not showing you are the most virtuous. At the time I thought the Harris campaign was emphasizing the wrong things. I was very puzzled about some of their choices. No need to rehash the campaign now. There’s no real way of knowing if voters would have gone for Harris even with a different strategy. She was certainly at a disadvantage because of the circumstances of her nomination. Personally I believe the Democrats are a slight favorite next election unless they shoot themselves in the foot with a bad candidate. They will most likely be going against a limp JD Vance campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2025, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-a-democratic-president-be-elected-in-2028/1020200/123 "2025-07-07T16:37:26Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Personally I believe the Democrats are a slight favorite next election unless they shoot themselves in the foot with a bad candidate. They will most likely be going against a limp JD Vance campaign. The trouble is that this sounds like a preemptive “If the Democrats lose it can only be their own fault” excuse that doesn’t take into account the actively dishonest campaign and multimedia barrage the Republicans will most certainly put forth. While you are looking for the guns Democrats are supposedly aiming at their own feet, you might want to take a glance at all the Republcans brandishing their own political weapons. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2025, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-a-democratic-president-be-elected-in-2028/1020200/124 "2025-07-07T16:38:44Z")
At this point I’m in the camp of “I’ll settle for anyone who is honest and actually has the welfare of the country at heart”. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2025, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-a-democratic-president-be-elected-in-2028/1020200/125 "2025-07-07T16:42:26Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > > [@Loach](#): > > > > Personally I believe the Democrats are a slight favorite next election unless they shoot themselves in the foot with a bad candidate. They will most likely be going against a limp JD Vance campaign. > > The trouble is that this sounds like a preemptive “If the Democrats lose it can only be their own fault” excuse that doesn’t take into account the actively dishonest campaign and multimedia barrage the Republicans will most certainly put forth. While you are looking for the guns Democrats are supposedly aiming at their own feet, you might want to take a glance at all the Republcans brandishing their own political weapons. A candidate that can’t handle what the other campaign is throwing at them is a bad candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2025, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-a-democratic-president-be-elected-in-2028/1020200/126 "2025-07-07T16:43:49Z")
In your eyes, does this make Trump a “good” candidate? Or, in other words, is the only answer to cheating, is to cheat even more? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2025, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-a-democratic-president-be-elected-in-2028/1020200/127 "2025-07-07T16:57:42Z")
Pretty much, yes. I recall reading about how Bill Clinton prevented Bush the Elder from bringing up his extramarital affairs by informing the Bush campaign that if they brought it up, he’d reveal Bush’s extramarital affairs. He knew they’d fight dirty, so he was prepared to fight dirty as well. You can’t play chess with somebody who insists on having a fist fight. ---
**Author:** ![Jegpeg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jegpeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jegpeg)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2025, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-a-democratic-president-be-elected-in-2028/1020200/128 "2025-07-07T17:02:24Z")
I am wondering if Musk will hand the 2028 election to the democrats. If he bankrolls an America Party candidate that would very likely split the MAGA vote. Of course Trump will probably concoct something to attempt to ensure it doesn’t happen but he could well fail to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2025, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-a-democratic-president-be-elected-in-2028/1020200/129 "2025-07-07T17:04:44Z")
Could it be that Musk is coming to the realization that his own personal businesses do better under Democratic policies than Republican ones? Just kidding. Musk doesn’t think much at all, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-a-democratic-president-be-elected-in-2028/1020200/130 "2025-07-08T07:24:24Z")
> [@Tatterdemalion](#): > > Just kidding. Musk doesn’t think much at all, apparently. A man like Musk decides what he wants the truth to be, then asserts that his fantasy is the reality. Then uses stubbornness and money to force everyone else to go along with the fantasy. One of those tactics that works quite well, until it doesn’t. Eventually people like him run into someone or something that can’t be bribed or browbeaten, and then they out of tricks. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-a-democratic-president-be-elected-in-2028/1020200/131 "2025-07-08T17:31:56Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > And in many ways the Democrats have _already_ run to the right to try and copy GOP policies. Kamala picking up DJT’s “No Tax On Tips” bullshit is just the first one that comes to mind. No Tax on Tips is hardly a GOP idea. Where trump came up with that we will never know. > [@LSLGuy](#): > > OTOH, it’s exactly the sort of policy aimed at benefiting the low-wage worker that a genuinely lefty worker-friendly party could / should / would go after. Getting more, or all, of the tax burden off the working poor would be a great way to make them the working less-poor. Right. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-a-democratic-president-be-elected-in-2028/1020200/132 "2025-07-08T23:53:37Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > And in many ways the Democrats have _already_ run to the right to try and copy GOP policies. Kamala picking up DJT’s “No Tax On Tips” bullshit is just the first one that comes to mind. There are two issues at play. The first is that tips are most often put on the card, and I definitely do not trust businesses to get the entire tips to the server but take some it for themselves. And, of course, there are instances of automated kiosk things asking for tips, which is all kinds of FU. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2025, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-a-democratic-president-be-elected-in-2028/1020200/133 "2025-07-09T01:48:25Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > That’s not a great example. Yes, it was bullshit when trump said it. And almost impossible to administratively implement honestly. > > OTOH, it’s exactly the sort of policy aimed at benefiting the low-wage worker that a genuinely lefty worker-friendly party could / should / would go after. Getting more, or all, of the tax burden off the working poor would be a great way to make them the working less-poor. And yet it wasn’t put forth by a Democrat running for national office until AFTER it was proposed by a Republican. It may not be the best example of the Democrats co-opting GOP policies but it is how it happened. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2025, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-a-democratic-president-be-elected-in-2028/1020200/134 "2025-07-09T02:09:13Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > There are two issues at play. The first is that tips are most often put on the card, and I definitely do not trust businesses to get the entire tips to the server but take some it for themselves. California- at least- really stomps down on this. > [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > And yet it wasn’t put forth by a Democrat running for national office until AFTER it was proposed by a Republican I am pretty sure that was on some Dems list of talking points, but I cant remember who. Also note that the no tax on tips thing covers only the first $25K. [https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5381734-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-no-tax-on-tips/](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5381734-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-no-tax-on-tips/) This article says the idea has a long history- > **[Tax History: No Tax on Tips: A Bad Idea With a Long History | Tax Notes](https://www.taxnotes.com/featured-analysis/tax-history-no-tax-tips-bad-idea-long-history/2024/09/27/7lsbl)** > > Joseph J. Thorndike examines the history behind recent proposals by Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump to exclude tipped wages from taxation, a policy favored by taxpayers but scorned by experts. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2025, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-a-democratic-president-be-elected-in-2028/1020200/135 "2025-07-09T02:13:53Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > California- at least- really stomps down on this. California has no tip credit, either. Everyone is supposed to get minimum wage, which is nearly as high as that of Oregon or Washington. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2025, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-a-democratic-president-be-elected-in-2028/1020200/136 "2025-07-09T11:14:30Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > And yet it wasn’t put forth by a Democrat running for national office until AFTER it was proposed by a Republican. It may not be the best example of the Democrats co-opting GOP policies but it is how it happened. Point taken. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-a-democratic-president-be-elected-in-2028/1020200/137 "2025-07-11T07:31:13Z")
So definitely not anyone in the GOP. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-a-democratic-president-be-elected-in-2028/1020200/138 "2025-07-11T11:33:37Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Also note that the no tax on tips thing covers only the first $25K. This isn’t no tax on tips either. It’s a deduction with various limits. I may be misremembering but from what I understand since the BBB is a reconciliation bill they couldn’t put in a change to the tax code that eliminates a category of tax. Adding a deduction is allowed. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-a-democratic-president-be-elected-in-2028/1020200/139 "2025-07-11T13:21:55Z")
Same story with the “no tax on SS benefits”. That’s totally not what they did. As best I can determine with research, SS benefits are just as taxable as ever. But there is now an extra exemption for oldies which will offset some of their total tax burden. Which burden includes the tax on SS. And of course, it’s subject to a phase-out so it won’t actually deliver any relief to the professional class. They’ve taken it in the neck in both of trump’s tax bills to fund huge cuts for billionaires and small giveaways to Joe & Jane Lunchbucket. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-a-democratic-president-be-elected-in-2028/1020200.md?page=6)