# Will and Grace question - campy guy "Jack" and alcoholic woman - Are they doing it? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 11, 2003, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-and-grace-question-campy-guy-jack-and-alcoholic-woman-are-they-doing-it/168011 "2003-04-11T12:38:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-and-grace-question-campy-guy-jack-and-alcoholic-woman-are-they-doing-it/168011/1 "2003-04-11T12:38:29Z")
Re Will’s campy friend Jack and Graces “assistant” Karen. Have only seen a show or two lately, but there seems to be an odd undercurrent of sexual tension written into the show that they are, or were, an item. Are they, or were they at some point? ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-and-grace-question-campy-guy-jack-and-alcoholic-woman-are-they-doing-it/168011/2 "2003-04-11T12:59:08Z")
ewwww! ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-and-grace-question-campy-guy-jack-and-alcoholic-woman-are-they-doing-it/168011/3 "2003-04-11T13:04:32Z")
Given that Jack is supposed to be so gay that Will couldn’t out-gay him on his gayingest day with the help of an electrified gaying machine, I don’t think so. ---
**Author:** ![Harli](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c0e974/32.png) [@Harli](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harli)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-and-grace-question-campy-guy-jack-and-alcoholic-woman-are-they-doing-it/168011/4 "2003-04-11T13:08:23Z")
Jack’s GAY! No, they’re not “doin it” nor have they ever been. I mean, I haven’t watched the show in ages, but, well…Jack is gay. So why the sexual tension? Well, take a flamboyant woman like Karen, who is prime fag hag material, and add Jack, the flaming queen himself, into the mix, and BOOM instant chemistry. It can happen, trust me. I’ve been there! I AM Karen…minus the money and alcoholism. And I had my Jack, and yes, we “tongue kissed” and there was boob grabbing, but sex? No, never…I mean…he’s gay. It is just a safe, flirtatious, non-sexual relationship. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-and-grace-question-campy-guy-jack-and-alcoholic-woman-are-they-doing-it/168011/5 "2003-04-11T15:02:22Z")
Astro, I think (based on what I’ve seen on the show) that you’re confusing tension with the fact that Karen will come on to anything with a pulse after a few drinks. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-and-grace-question-campy-guy-jack-and-alcoholic-woman-are-they-doing-it/168011/6 "2003-04-11T15:19:10Z")
But why the obsession with Karen’s big boobs? ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-and-grace-question-campy-guy-jack-and-alcoholic-woman-are-they-doing-it/168011/7 "2003-04-11T15:29:03Z")
Because everybody likes big knobs. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-and-grace-question-campy-guy-jack-and-alcoholic-woman-are-they-doing-it/168011/8 "2003-04-11T16:01:06Z")
If Liza and David can , so can Jack and Karen. ---
**Author:** ![DeVena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dec6dc/32.png) [@DeVena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeVena)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-and-grace-question-campy-guy-jack-and-alcoholic-woman-are-they-doing-it/168011/9 "2003-04-11T18:05:01Z")
OK Liza + David = EWwwwwwww! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-and-grace-question-campy-guy-jack-and-alcoholic-woman-are-they-doing-it/168011/10 "2003-04-11T18:38:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Happy Lendervedder \* > \*\*But why the obsession with Karen’s big boobs? \*\* [Why not](http://meganmullallyforever.tripod.com/)? She could bury my face in her cleavage any time she wants! ---
**Author:** ![widdershins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f0a364/32.png) [@widdershins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/widdershins)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2003, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-and-grace-question-campy-guy-jack-and-alcoholic-woman-are-they-doing-it/168011/11 "2003-04-12T01:31:04Z")
I know the openly gay brother of a co-worker, he’s pretty flaming but nowhere near Jack territory. He likes breasts too, especially large ones. His sister says he regards them as “play things” and the women he knows let him because they regard him as “safe” because that’s all it is playful, adult fun that won’t lead to anything. I wouldn’t say there’s sexual tension, just a flamboyant relationship between a queen and his hag. Both characters are very outsized and over the top, it’s only natural that their relationship would be too. ---
**Author:** ![Badtz\_Maru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e36b37/32.png) [@Badtz\_Maru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Badtz_Maru)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2003, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-and-grace-question-campy-guy-jack-and-alcoholic-woman-are-they-doing-it/168011/12 "2003-04-12T03:54:24Z")
Karen is my dream woman. That’s the kind of woman you could spend the rest of your life with.