# Will "BHENGAZI-GATE" screw up Hitlery's chances in 2016? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 9, 2013, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-bhengazi-gate-screw-up-hitlerys-chances-in-2016/657888 "2013-05-09T13:53:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-bhengazi-gate-screw-up-hitlerys-chances-in-2016/657888/341 "2013-05-13T15:45:06Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > They lied about where the changes to the talking points came from. They said they came from the intelligence community, but they were actually changed by the State Department. First- how do you know they lied and weren’t mistaken? Second- how do you know that the information the State Dept used to make the changes didn’t come from the intel community? And third- why is it particularly important who made changes to talking points? If this is the scandal, it’s a pretty pathetic scandal. > [@](#): > > There might not be on the response, but it’s still something Congress is going to want to know. And they have the power to compel answers. There’s no evidence of military misconduct. So Congress is fishing. Our tax dollars at work. > [@](#): > > As for whether it’s succeeding or not: > > [Benghazi Poll Finds More Disapprove Than Approve Of Obama's Handling Of Attack Aftermath | HuffPost Latest News](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/10/benghazi-poll_n_3255403.html) > > Normally Presidents get high marks for handling crises unless they obviously screwed up or lied. An attack usually creates a “rally around the President” effect. Benghazi is producing the opposite. Yeah, and Bill Clinton took some hits to his polls during the leadup to impeachment. Undoubtedly many Americans disapproved of his handling of Monica Lewinsky. How’d that turn out for the Republicans (and for Bill’s polls afterwards)? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-bhengazi-gate-screw-up-hitlerys-chances-in-2016/657888/342 "2013-05-13T15:55:26Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Undoubtedly many Americans disapproved of his handling of Monica Lewinsky. Yeah, I thought he shoulda used a Cuban, too. Damned trade embargo. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-bhengazi-gate-screw-up-hitlerys-chances-in-2016/657888/343 "2013-05-13T16:05:11Z")
I don’t care too much about the Benghazi situation in its current form, but I am entertained by the folks who insist elections are an adequate check on government power and nothing bad can ever happen because we will just vote out the bad guys. These are the same people who aren’t the least bit concerned when a (Democratic) public servant plays political games with the truth. _These are the people who should be pushing for transparency because their entire theory of government depends on it_. Instead they out themselves as nothing more than partisan hacks. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-bhengazi-gate-screw-up-hitlerys-chances-in-2016/657888/344 "2013-05-13T16:10:50Z")
It’s amazing to see how far the goalposts have been moved. “Obama killed four Americans in Benghazi!” “Well, he didn’t kill them, but he didn’t send help either!” “Well, he sent help, but he didn’t send help fast enough!” “Well, he sent help as fast as he could have, but he didn’t call it ‘terrorism’!” “Well, he called it terrorism, but he minced words in his press release!” I’m beginning to wonder if the GOP thinks Romney will somehow retroactively have won the election if only they keep up on this until they find a “gotcha ya” somewhere buried beneath the bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-bhengazi-gate-screw-up-hitlerys-chances-in-2016/657888/345 "2013-05-13T16:14:37Z")
I realize Congress didn’t do its job during the Bush administration and the first two years of the Obama administration so maybe you aren’t used to seeing what oversight looks like. It looks like what you’re seeing now. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-bhengazi-gate-screw-up-hitlerys-chances-in-2016/657888/346 "2013-05-13T16:26:51Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I realize Congress didn’t do its job during the Bush administration and the first two years of the Obama administration so maybe you aren’t used to seeing what oversight looks like. It looks like what you’re seeing now. I think we should have hearings over the much more widespread death and incompetency and coverups within the last administration. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-bhengazi-gate-screw-up-hitlerys-chances-in-2016/657888/347 "2013-05-13T16:36:52Z")
Would have been nice, but it’s not as if the public didn’t “reward” Bush with the approval rating he deserved, as well as severely punish his party in two straight elections. I was about to say that Obama’s headed for the same endgame, except that he had to go and take exactly the right stance on the IRS scandal. That’ll bump up his popularity. Can never bash the IRS too much. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-bhengazi-gate-screw-up-hitlerys-chances-in-2016/657888/348 "2013-05-13T16:38:00Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > If the IRS scandal isn’t common knowledge here, then I question where these people are getting their news. It would explain a lot though. Well, it just hit the newspapers this morning, I believe. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-bhengazi-gate-screw-up-hitlerys-chances-in-2016/657888/349 "2013-05-13T16:47:18Z")
> [@Habakkuk3](#): > > and I thought about replying IN WORDS to these bitch-strikes concerning > > how horrible I am to “represent” older people, conservatives, “Air Force veterans”, citizens of Texas – > > but ya know what? > > I choose not to respond in words - I would rather respond with a manual, digital GESTURE aimed in the Internet General direction of this crap > > so visualize my finger But not Waco, yes? Odessa, maybe? Yeah, Odessa would be about right. Or Houston. ---
**Author:** ![Habakkuk3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9a140/32.png) [@Habakkuk3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Habakkuk3)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-bhengazi-gate-screw-up-hitlerys-chances-in-2016/657888/350 "2013-05-13T17:04:53Z")
We Aint Comin Out! WACO! Religious fanatic capital of the Western World - an ah’m jest a MODERATE here… oh, I heard o that Branch Davidian cult since I wuzza kid leader at one time had evverboddy sittin out on a hill had sold all their goods and leader absconded to South America with everryone’s possessions leadership of the cult since that time (60’s) has been ESTABLISHED BY GUN BATTLE Koresh (real name Vernon Howell) got in a POSITION to gun-fight for leadership by sleeping with elderly widow of a former leader but upon winning leadership, he slept with all females some as young as 10 yeah, I’m from Waco same county as West - which SO FAR is being treated as an accident but pipe-bomb makings have been discovered by Sheriff’s office in one resident of West - no connection yet with fertilizer explosion yet ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-bhengazi-gate-screw-up-hitlerys-chances-in-2016/657888/351 "2013-05-13T17:05:34Z")
> [@Habakkuk3](#): > > and I thought about replying IN WORDS to these bitch-strikes concerning > > how horrible I am to “represent” older people, conservatives, “Air Force veterans”, citizens of Texas – > > but ya know what? > > I choose not to respond in words - I would rather respond with a manual, digital GESTURE aimed in the Internet General direction of this crap > > so visualize my finger Gah- can anyone translate this into English? ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-bhengazi-gate-screw-up-hitlerys-chances-in-2016/657888/352 "2013-05-13T17:09:33Z")
> [@Habakkuk3](#): > > We > > Aint > > Comin > > Out! > > WACO! > > Religious fanatic capital of the Western World - an ah’m jest a MODERATE here… > > oh, I heard o that Branch Davidian cult since I wuzza kid > > leader at one time had evverboddy sittin out on a hill > had sold all their goods > and leader absconded to South America with everryone’s possessions > > leadership of the cult since that time (60’s) > has been ESTABLISHED BY GUN BATTLE > > Koresh (real name Vernon Howell) got in a POSITION to gun-fight for leadership > by sleeping with elderly widow of a former leader > > but upon winning leadership, he slept with all females some as young as 10 > > yeah, I’m from Waco > > same county as West - which SO FAR is being treated as an accident > > but pipe-bomb makings have been discovered by Sheriff’s office in one resident of West - no connection yet with fertilizer explosion > > yet Are you typing on a phone or something? Your posts are virtually unreadable. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-bhengazi-gate-screw-up-hitlerys-chances-in-2016/657888/353 "2013-05-13T17:24:52Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I realize Congress didn’t do its job during the Bush administration and the first two years of the Obama administration so maybe you aren’t used to seeing what oversight looks like. It looks like what you’re seeing now. No, what we’re seeing now is political posturing and scandal-fishing. We haven’t seen proper congressional oversight in decades. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-bhengazi-gate-screw-up-hitlerys-chances-in-2016/657888/354 "2013-05-13T17:26:29Z")
> [@Habakkuk3](#): > > …yeah, I’m from Waco… Bullshit. What’s the name of the drive in theater with the giant picture of the rampant, triumphant, and victorious Baylor Bear? The name of the big park? The name of the ginormous 23 story skyscraper in greater metropolitan Waco? And finally, if you are in Waco…why? Go back home to Odessa. If God were going to give Texas an enema, that’s where He’d stick the nozzle. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-bhengazi-gate-screw-up-hitlerys-chances-in-2016/657888/355 "2013-05-13T17:26:48Z")
> [@Habakkuk3](#): > > We > > Aint > > Comin > > Out! > > WACO! > > Religious fanatic capital of the Western World - an ah’m jest a MODERATE here… > > oh, I heard o that Branch Davidian cult since I wuzza kid > > leader at one time had evverboddy sittin out on a hill > had sold all their goods > and leader absconded to South America with everryone’s possessions > > leadership of the cult since that time (60’s) > has been ESTABLISHED BY GUN BATTLE > > Koresh (real name Vernon Howell) got in a POSITION to gun-fight for leadership > by sleeping with elderly widow of a former leader > > but upon winning leadership, he slept with all females some as young as 10 > > yeah, I’m from Waco > > same county as West - which SO FAR is being treated as an accident > > but pipe-bomb makings have been discovered by Sheriff’s office in one resident of West - no connection yet with fertilizer explosion > > yet Streams of consciousness tend to be slightly more readable if they have punctuation. This just looks like song lyrics. Bad, bad song lyrics. ---
**Author:** ![Habakkuk3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9a140/32.png) [@Habakkuk3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Habakkuk3)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-bhengazi-gate-screw-up-hitlerys-chances-in-2016/657888/356 "2013-05-13T17:27:12Z")
Ca3799 if my posts are virtually unreadable wtf are you responding to? ---
**Author:** ![Habakkuk3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9a140/32.png) [@Habakkuk3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Habakkuk3)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-bhengazi-gate-screw-up-hitlerys-chances-in-2016/657888/357 "2013-05-13T17:31:47Z")
Bullshit. What’s the name of the drive in theater with the giant picture of the rampant, triumphant, and victorious Baylor Bear? The name of the big park? The name of the ginormous 23 story skyscraper in greater metropolitan Waco? Circle Drive-Inn? another one was nearby… Cameron Park ALICO building I am back in Waco to take care of my 94 year old Dad - ya dont like it? sorry ya dont like Odessa - I never been there ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-bhengazi-gate-screw-up-hitlerys-chances-in-2016/657888/358 "2013-05-13T17:37:13Z")
> [@Habakkuk3](#): > > Ca3799 > > if my posts are virtually unreadable > > wtf are you responding to? Er, your virtually unreadable posts. You know, the ones you yourself have referred to as “authentic frontier gibberish”. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-bhengazi-gate-screw-up-hitlerys-chances-in-2016/657888/359 "2013-05-13T17:39:16Z")
> [@Habakkuk3](#): > > Circle Drive-Inn? another one was nearby… > > Cameron Park > > ALICO building… Oh, dear Lord. The horror. The horror. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-bhengazi-gate-screw-up-hitlerys-chances-in-2016/657888/360 "2013-05-13T18:19:47Z")
> [@Habakkuk3](#): > > Ca3799 > > if my posts are virtually unreadable > > wtf are you responding to? Tthat was my question. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-bhengazi-gate-screw-up-hitlerys-chances-in-2016/657888.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-bhengazi-gate-screw-up-hitlerys-chances-in-2016/657888.md?page=19)