Will Bush pardon Clinton?

We have now moved to Great Debates, and slightly away from the OP, which asks if Bush will pardon Clinton; presumably, the the correct topic now is, “Should Bush Pardon Clinton?”

It’s true that perjury must be (1) a statement, (2) under oath, (3) on any material thing or matter.

Clinton made false statements under oath on two different occasions. You may argue that the first, during the discovery process of the Paula Jones lawsuit, consisted of an immaterial thing or matter, since the judge ultimately ruled that, for purposes of the suit, the truth of her allegations was irrelevant.

However, that ruling did not exist when the grand jury was convened for the purpose of investigating Mr. Clinton’s lies. At that time, it was unclear how material his statements were, and the grand jury certainly had a reasonable basis to ask the questions again. His statements under oath to the grand jury were thus material; the grand jury was investigating a criminal matter, and the truth of his earlier statements was directly relevant and material.

His statements to the grand jury were thus clearly perjurious.

As I have said earlier, however, I do not believe that instance of perjury warrants criminal prosecution. Were he a private citizen placed in the same position, rather than a public figure, I don’t believe any prosecutor would seek a perjury conviction. I do believe the perjury forms sufficient basis for his disbarment, and I felt that it formed sufficient basis for his impeachment, and even his conviction by the Senate. Obviously, Congress did not agree with me.

So to reiterate: yes, it was perjury, and if necessary, yes, Bush should pardon Clinton; the pardon will undo the injustice of the man being punished as a criminal when others, similarly situated, would not be.

  • Rick

Holy Shit!!
I must admit that I had forgotten (…or to be totally honest, never knew {I must confess that I rarely read newspapers or watch television}) that there was a Grand Jury involved…as I have said above; I sometimes give testimony and it is not something that I have ever taken lightly. Depositions are at least somewhat informal but Grand Juries are like…well…Holy Shit!!

I won’t change my opinion that Bush should pardon Clinton; but I must admit that this somewhat alters my opinion of Clinton (though I must admit that I’m not completely sure if it is for the better or the worse; God knows I,ve wanted to tell a lie or two…)

I think you must be mistaken. Ms. Lewinsky was given immunity.

As one scandal touches another. Is this Nixon’s counsel John Dean? Well, he should know criminal law, being convicted himself.

I have a fact question: what right does Robert Ray have to go after Clinton after he is out of office? I thought the purpose of the (now-defunct) independent prosecutor law was to investigate certain high officials of the federal government. Once Clinton’s out of office, does he still fit under the law, or should the case be continued (or dropped) by the D.C. U.S. Attorney’s office?

Sua

jamesglewisf: John Dean? We should be keeping counsel with John Dean?

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Okay, I’m better now. (JohnDean??)

OK, just which statements were these, that rose to the level of 'clearly perjury"? From what I remember, Starr & the GOP said Clinton lied on 2 occ to the grand jury. The 1st was when they were asking him when the 'relationship" started- he said he remembered it as early one year- Monica said it was late the prior year: 1. Maybe Monica was wrong. 2. Just being wrong, or misremembering things is not “perjury” and 3. The actual date of the start is not “material”.

Next- they also said he was lying to the GJ, when the Prez maintained that his testimony in the Civil trial was not, technically “lying”. Which appears correct, or even if not, is a statement of opinion.

So- where was the “perjury”?