# Will Clayton Locketts Torture be the Rosa Parks moment of the Campaign against judicial killing? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 30, 2014, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339 "2014-04-30T05:47:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/321 "2014-05-01T21:08:22Z")
Hmmm, death penalty. Tough issue. On the one hand, it’s terrible public policy. It’s expensive. It’s capricious and arbitrary. It’s racist in application. It doesn’t deter crime or make us any safer. It’s a terrible power to give the state. And worst of all, there is the horrible risk of executing an innocent person. On the other hand, keeping it pisses off unctuous euro-weenies, which is always an important policy goal, so there’s that. Probably best to get rid of it. There are other ways we can piss off the euroweenies. And yeah Clayton Lockett sure is the Rosa Parks of our time. You know, if Rosa Parks had raped a nineteen year old girl and buried her alive. Seriously, if we do get rid of the death penalty, as we should, it will be in spite of inhuman monsters like Clayton Lockett, not because of them. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/322 "2014-05-01T21:57:27Z")
[Once again,](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli) a handy little map showing where you can get citizenship based on where you took your first breath. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/323 "2014-05-01T22:56:56Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > [Once again,](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli) a handy little map showing where you can get citizenship based on where you took your first breath. Huh, so Canada’s the only country with a generally admirable public policy that does this. Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/324 "2014-05-01T23:04:02Z")
Death penalty’d be fine if done with reason and common sense. Never is, though. ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2014, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/325 "2014-05-02T04:28:04Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > Pjen, I think what you’re doing here is great, but you’re wasting your time. The guy was black and he killed a white woman. The issue is over in most people’s minds. The peanut gallery celebrates vengeance over justice when victims are white but exhibits mild indifference when the victims are black. White people could only spare us 80 or so years before restarting their Tuskegee-esque experiments. The people celebrating his death and the botched execution are not unlike the monsters on _Attack on Titan_. Over the last few weeks, it has never been so clear that white people want us gone. Treating us like some Palestinian step-children and shit. We don’t fire missiles nor we don’t engage in terrorism but still treated like animals. I just wish they’d move forward on a reparation and repatriation package so we can get the hell out of dodge. > > I move the idea that we should turn death row into mini concentration camps. That way, white people can use death row inmates for life-long experimentation followed by organ harvesting and burning the remains. You can broadcast the human experiments on pay-per-view television and use the proceeds to fix your broken, pot-hole riddled roads and your crumbling bridges that you’ve intentionally neglected for over three decades. > > - Honesty I don’t normally agree with the concept of slavery reparations but this post has convinced me I might be wrong. I’d happily donate $700 of my own money to a fund created for the purpose of ensuring **Honesty** leaves America and never comes back. Of course, I apologize in advance to whichever country winds up with **Honesty.** ---
**Author:** ![Vaevictis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f04885/32.png) [@Vaevictis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vaevictis)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2014, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/326 "2014-05-02T04:45:15Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Except Rosa Parks never shot a teenage girl and then buried her alive. > > I personally am not a supporter of the Death Penalty but if you think too many people other than those who are already strongly against the Death Penalty are going to compare him to Rosa Parks you’re horribly naive. > > I was vastly more sympathetic with the brain damaged guy Clinton executed who was so out of it he refused to finish his last meal but instead wanted to save it for “later, when I get back” and that was over twenty years ago and I’m willing to bet even people reading this familiar with the case will have to head over to Wikipedia to remember his name(FTR I don’t remember it either). Haven’t read the whole thread so apologies if this has already come up. Can we get a cite on Clinton? I had heard this was Texas. ---
**Author:** ![Vaevictis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f04885/32.png) [@Vaevictis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vaevictis)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2014, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/327 "2014-05-02T04:49:31Z")
> [@Batistuta](#): > > Isn’t that the essential problem behind the anti-death penalty campaign? People like Rosa Parks or the Freedom Riders were decent, peaceful guys who were treated unfairly by the system; ie great poster childs. > > With the _victims_ of death penalty, you’re never going to get such great poster childs. Nearly all people sentenced to death are either criminals or simply people with whom the general public cannot relate. They do not pass as innocent victims, regardless of how unfairly they are treated. Except for the folks who got murdered by the state and it turned out – oops – they were innocent. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2014, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/328 "2014-05-02T04:49:39Z")
> [@Iggy](#): > > Got any cite for a country that does not have any means of establishing citizenship at birth? Or perhaps you erred in using the term [accident of birth](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident_of_birth). It includes racial makeup as well as place and circumstances of birth, among many factors. > > [voice in my head] > This is not the Pit. Be nice. This is not the Pit. be nice. > [/voice in my head] I used ‘accident of birth’ on purpose- those people who just happen to be in a country- travelling, visiting etc. Only the Americas recognise such a strong lex soli (the UK comes close). Many other countries choose to limit citizenship to children of citizens and take little notice of the place of birth.Countries make their own laws. Very few choose lex soli. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2014, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/329 "2014-05-02T04:52:53Z")
> [@Vaevictis](#): > > Haven’t read the whole thread so apologies if this has already come up. Can we get a cite on Clinton? I had heard this was Texas. Ricky Ray Rector > **[Ricky Ray Rector](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Ray_Rector)** > > Ricky Ray Rector (January 12, 1950 – January 24, 1992) was an American convicted murderer who was executed for the 1981 murder of police officer Bob Martin in Conway, Arkansas. After killing a man in a restaurant and fleeing, Rector spent three days on the run before he agreed to turn himself in. However, instead of giving himself up, he shot the police officer who had negotiated his surrender in the back. He then shot himself in the head in a suicide attempt. The attempt effectively resulted in ... Despicable. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2014, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/330 "2014-05-02T05:10:56Z")
More disgusting news. He did not go dentle into that good night. He was tasered in the morning as he refused to cooperate. ( I see that as justified civil disobedience and a move to discomfort prison staff who were about to kill him. If more of that happened, staff would be less willing to kill people.) He slashed his wrists and was refused sutures. He was refused his choice of last meal. The staff were so incompetent they could not find a vein in his arms and resorted to the groin! This is a skilled procedure compared with the usual areas- no wonder badly trained incompetents screwed it up. Because of the area involved the idiots covered his groin as he had to be exposed to the ghouls next door to ensure the execution was theatre rather than justice. Consequently they did not notice that the cannula had tissued. There is a comprehensive timeline of the whole day, but somehow it fails to describe in detail his attempts to sit up and talk before they gave up (are they ashamed of this and wish to minimise the results of their incompetence), or of the last ten minutes after they gave up their botched attempts to butcher him. There is no record if CPR was used after the Governor ordered a stop to the procedure- this is required under law- seems strange, but once the execution is off, the state has no right to kill him or let him die. They drew the curtains and it is suggested that they did not try to revive him. The Governor was not willing to say that the procedure as carried out was constitutional. The Governor has appointed one of her employees (not a neutral person) to review the case! Proud of the procedure now? > **[Oklahoma inmate Tasered by prison staff on day of botched execution](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/01/oklahoma-clayton-lockett-tasered-before-botched-execution)** > > Timeline report from director of Oklahoma corrections department also recommends indefinite stay of executions in the state ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2014, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/331 "2014-05-02T05:51:06Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > Most countries in the world define their population by being born of people born there. In countries where these are all **one stock** (Germany, Japan, India, China, Russia) Huh, “stock”. For someone who prides himself on how “civilized” he is this is an extremely archaic comment to make. Beyond that, the rest of this quoted passage is one of the stupidest sentences I’ve ever read on this site. Words alone cannot describe just how asinine the idea that people from India are of the “same stock” is. India is almost certainly the most diverse country on the planet containing countless different castes ethnicities, religions, languages, and dialects. I say this as someone born in a really diverse country(Iran) and who grew up in another one(the US). Similarly, I nearly pissed myself laughing at the idea that people in “China”(which you rather oddly failed to define) at the idea that the people there are of “the same stock”. China also contains several different ethnicities of whom “Han” are the most dominant, but hardly the only one and at least eight different spoken languages. Yes, in the words of Paul Johnson, it used to be common for most people from the UK to put everyone from India as being of the “same stock” but I thought with the 21st Century such racist bullshit was a relic of the past. > [@](#): > > However if a child is born with one German parent (such as new African related Germans from US servicemen with German mothers, they have citizenship.\*\* Relatively few countries award citizenship by accident of birth.\*\* The comment “by accident of birth” absolutely reeks of bigotry. I’d recommend choosing a different phrase because it sounds far too much like the bigoted racists in the US terrified of being overrun by Latinos or the European bigots who insist on resisting granting citizenship to the children of immigrants because they’re terrified of the Muslim hordes. Thankfully, in the US the bigots are losing the fight and the children of immigrants are automatically granted citizenship as anyone except a paranoid racist would agree they should. Sadly, this is not the case in Europe, but if you’re correct about how “civilized” Europe is, before long the European countries which out of fear of being overrun by the Islamic hordes reject Jus Solis will soon embrace it and we will no longer be left with the outrageous sight of the children and in some cases grandchildren of immigrants denied citizenship due to bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2014, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/332 "2014-05-02T06:00:17Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Huh, “stock”. > > For someone who prides himself on how “civilized” he is this is an extremely archaic comment to make. > > Beyond that, the rest of this quoted passage is one of the stupidest sentences I’ve ever read on this site. > > Words alone cannot describe just how asinine the idea that people from India are of the “same stock” is. > > India is almost certainly the most diverse country on the planet containing countless different castes ethnicities, religions, languages, and dialects. > > I say this as someone born in a really diverse country(Iran) and who grew up in another one(the US). > > Similarly, I nearly pissed myself laughing at the idea that people in “China”(which you rather oddly failed to define) at the idea that the people there are of “the same stock”. > > China also contains several different ethnicities of whom “Han” are the most dominant, but hardly the only one and at least eight different spoken languages. > > Yes, in the words of Paul Johnson, it used to be common for most people from the UK to put everyone from India as being of the “same stock” but I thought with the 21st Century such racist bullshit was a relic of the past. > > The comment “by accident of birth” absolutely reeks of bigotry. > > I’d recommend choosing a different phrase because it sounds far too much like the bigoted racists in the US terrified of being overrun by Latinos or the European bigots who insist on resisting granting citizenship to the children of immigrants because they’re terrified of the Muslim hordes. > > Thankfully, in the US the bigots are losing the fight and the children of immigrants are automatically granted citizenship as anyone except a paranoid racist would agree they should. > > Sadly, this is not the case in Europe, but if you’re correct about how “civilized” Europe is, before long the European countries which out of fear of being overrun by the Islamic hordes reject Jus Solis will soon embrace it and we will no longer be left with the outrageous sight of the children and in some cases grandchildren of immigrants denied citizenship due to bigotry. You are far too sensitive and I am probably more liberal than you. I chose the word ‘stock’ rather than ethnicity exactly because of the diverse ethnicity inIndia, China etc. Stock in these terms means lineage or family- exactly what I intended. I use accident of birth to mean tourists or temporary residents- people with minimal affinity for the country or anchor babies purposely created. I am no bigot- I welcome the current immigration into the UK from Europe and the previous immigration from all over the world which makes us one of the more ethnically diverse countries on the planet. In general I would rather work with the least restrictive borders- if people want to come here and are not a burden, they should (Over 350 million people have the absolute right to live and work in the UK- I support that. I also understand why most countries only allow citizenship to people born of parents with that citizenship. Get off your high horse! ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2014, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/333 "2014-05-02T06:02:41Z")
NM. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2014, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/334 "2014-05-02T06:12:22Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > You are far too sensitive and I am probably more liberal than you. > > I chose the word ‘stock’ rather than ethnicity exactly because of the diverse ethnicity inIndia, China etc. Stock in these terms means lineage or family- exactly what I intended. > > I use accident of birth to mean tourists or temporary residents- people with minimal affinity for the country or anchor babies purposely created. > > I am no bigot- I welcome the current immigration into the UK from Europe and the previous immigration from all over the world which makes us one of the more ethnically diverse countries on the planet. In general I would rather work with the least restrictive borders- if people want to come here and are not a burden, they should (Over 350 million people have the absolute right to live and work in the UK- I support that. > > I also understand why most countries only allow citizenship to people born of parents with that citizenship. > > Get off your high horse! I didn’t insult you so I don’t understand the attacks on me. Also, I’ll confess to finding some of your terminology a bit confusing. You are British right? I do ask because I was a bit taken aback by the phrase “I am probably more liberal than you” because that phrase means something different in the UK than it does in the the US and I’ve never heard anyone use the phrase “anchor baby” except for Fox News types claiming that illegal immigrants were deliberately having children in the US because of the supposed fact(in the minds of Fox News only) that the parents of so-called “anchor babies” were also automatically granted citizenship. Anyway, Pjen You have yet to answer my question so once more, perhaps you could. Which would you find preferable? A)If the US were to adopt European style citizenship law and refuse to grant citizenship to millions of people(most of whom are non-white) based not the immigration status of their parents even if they were born in the US while refusing to execute a small a handful of convicted murderers. or B)If the US were to execute a handful of murderers every year but grant citizenship to millions of the children of immigrants(most of whom aren’t white) who would be denied citizenship in most European countries. BTW, this is honestly not a trick question. I obviously despise the death penalty but find B far preferable, but if you genuinely feel that A is better and can explain your reasoning, I’ll be happy to consider your opinion. So, please give yours. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2014, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/335 "2014-05-02T06:23:55Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I didn’t insult you so I don’t understand the attacks on me. > > Also, I’ll confess to finding some of your terminology a bit confusing. > > You are British right? > > I do ask because I was a bit taken aback by the phrase “I am probably more liberal than you” because that phrase means something different in the UK than it does in the the US and I’ve never heard anyone use the phrase “anchor baby” except for Fox News types claiming that illegal immigrants were deliberately having children in the US because of the supposed fact(in the minds of Fox News only) that the parents of so-called “anchor babies” were also automatically granted citizenship. > > Anyway, Pjen > > You have yet to answer my question so once more, perhaps you could. > > Which would you find preferable? > > A)If the US were to adopt European style citizenship law and refuse to grant citizenship to millions of people(most of whom are non-white) based not the immigration status of their parents even if they were born in the US while refusing to execute a small a handful of convicted murderers. > > or > > B)If the US were to execute a handful of murderers every year but grant citizenship to millions of the children of immigrants(most of whom aren’t white) who would be denied citizenship in most European countries. > > BTW, this is honestly not a trick question. I obviously despise the death penalty but find B far preferable, but if you genuinely feel that A is better and can explain your reasoning, I’ll be happy to consider your opinion. > > So, please give yours. > > Thanks It is a stupid question that conflates two separate issues and is a sad debating techniques despised by people who really want to discuss a matter. I dislike all actions that cause harm to a human being unnecessarily. I find state sanctioned judicial killing as a contemtible act. I recognise that no state can be forced to change its citizenship laws to make a blinkered American Exceptionalist happy. Very few countries recognise Jus Soli- get over it. The UK has far more open borders than the USA. That is a fact- the USA has almost total control over who settles there. For Europeans the matter is different and many different countries have voluntarily agreed to share residency arrangements. The USA even stops Canadians from moving freely into the US! Would you prefer ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2014, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/336 "2014-05-02T06:28:04Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > It is a stupid question that conflates two separate issues and is a sad debating techniques despised by people who really want to discuss a matter. > > I dislike all actions that cause harm to a human being unnecessarily. > > I find state sanctioned judicial killing as a contemtible act. > > I recognise that no state can be forced to change its citizenship laws to make a blinkered American Exceptionalist happy. Very few countries recognise Jus Soli- get over it. > > The UK has far more open borders than the USA. That is a fact- the USA has almost total control over who settles there. For Europeans the matter is different and many different countries have voluntarily agreed to share residency arrangements. The USA even stops Canadians from moving freely into the US! > > Would you prefer Your post was cut off mid-sentence. Did you have something to add but posted before you were finished? Not BTW meant as mocking or an insult, it’s happened to me plenty of times. Beyond that you failed to answer the question. Which would you find preferable A or B? Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2014, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/337 "2014-05-02T06:31:33Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Your post was cut off mid-sentence. > > Did you have something to add but posted before you were finished? Not BTW meant as mocking or an insult, it’s happened to me plenty of times. > > Beyond that you failed to answer the question. > > Which would you find preferable > > A or B? > > Thanks Of the two, which one is the topic of this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2014, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/338 "2014-05-02T06:35:31Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Of the two, which one is the topic of this thread? We’ve gone beyond that since he started arguing about how European nations which within the past few decades engage in large scale ethnic cleansing and discrimination are more “civilized” than the US. I’ve asked him for clarification and I presume that he’ll provide it. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2014, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/339 "2014-05-02T10:09:29Z")
**ENOUGH!** The topic is the death penalty and, more particularly, will one botched execution cause a general revulsion for the practice among the American electorate. Take the hijacks regarding the better rules of citizenship or what countries are more “civilized” to a separate thread (or two). **[/Moderating]** ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2014, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/340 "2014-05-02T10:12:29Z")
You know what bugs the crap out of me on this topic? We have records of god knows how many people who have been executed and proven innocent after the fact. But we accidentally kill someone clearly guilty of a heinous crime in a “less humane” way, and _that’s_ the reason to scrap the system? Granted, we should be getting rid of capital punishment anyways, but this is a _terrible_ reason to do it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339.md?page=18)