# Will Clayton Locketts Torture be the Rosa Parks moment of the Campaign against judicial killing? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 30, 2014, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339 "2014-04-30T05:47:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/21 "2014-04-30T09:06:42Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Lethal injection is prone to failure and causing excess pain and suffering. > > Solution: Bring back public hangings. > > Problem solved. I agree - the government shouldn’t be allowed to whitewash its brutality under doctors and “medical procedures”. If they’re going to kill people, at least they should have the balls to do it honestly. ---
**Author:** ![Batistuta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@Batistuta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Batistuta)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/22 "2014-04-30T09:15:42Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > Well, the victims parents might very well disagree with you. Thankfully for everyone, justice is delivered by impartial courts and not by the victims of the original crime. Otherwise, imagine what the punishment for genocide would be like. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/23 "2014-04-30T09:17:27Z")
What if the victim had been an orphan? Would letting the murderer off be OK if that were the case? ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/24 "2014-04-30T09:20:46Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > he deserves to be shot and then buried while still alive “Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.” ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/25 "2014-04-30T09:26:57Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I agree - the government shouldn’t be allowed to whitewash its brutality under doctors and “medical procedures”. If they’re going to kill people, at least they should have the balls to do it honestly. Firing squad. Quick, efficient, cheap. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/26 "2014-04-30T09:30:46Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > Well, the victims parents might very well disagree with you. Revenge is not Justice. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/27 "2014-04-30T09:31:48Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > The drugs messed them up and it took them 40 minutes to die from an exploded vein? > > Good. You should make that the standard for all people who shoot young girls then bury them alive. Another morally doubtful statement. Still, it just goes to your morals rather than informing the debate. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/28 "2014-04-30T09:32:12Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > “Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.” You don’t have to be “very wise” to know that murderers and their ilk don’t deserve to live. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/29 "2014-04-30T09:33:06Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I agree - the government shouldn’t be allowed to whitewash its brutality under doctors and “medical procedures”. If they’re going to kill people, at least they should have the balls to do it honestly. The sad thing is that it would be possible to euthanise such people humanely. It is just that the state and the people want it to look like and be suffering. Just collective blood lust! ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/30 "2014-04-30T09:34:08Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > Firing squad. Quick, efficient, cheap. And would make the USA seem even more barbaric than its current image. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/31 "2014-04-30T09:34:43Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > Anyway, turns out, it was a fatal mistake, because the dude died of a punctured vein. He went into cardiac arrest and died. I await the autopsy results. Oklahoma is so hungry to kill them that they’re using secret suppliers and concoctions shielded from the public to do it. We still don’t know what was injected in him, where it is supplied, and whether it was tested properly. It’s something straight out of the Tuskegee experiments. I just wish they’d just give us our money so we can get the hell out of here. Then it sounds to me like your beef is with the companies trying to make some kind of statement by refusing to sell safe execution drugs to the state and forcing them to go to a compounding pharmacy to have it made instead. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/32 "2014-04-30T09:35:17Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You don’t have to be “very wise” to know that murderers and their ilk don’t deserve to live. Please provide the logic behind that statement. Do all murderers desrve to die, or only poor lack ones? ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/33 "2014-04-30T09:36:19Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > “Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.” Yep, that’s why I’m against the death penalty. I’m not, however, in the slightest bit upset that a rapist and murderer died a horrible death. Allowing the death penalty is wrong because it gives too much power to the justice system, and doesn’t allow for the correction of inevitable mistakes. It’s not wrong because it causes suffering to evil people. If this guy becomes a poster child for the anti death penalty campaign, then that campaign is fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/34 "2014-04-30T09:36:33Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You don’t have to be “very wise” to know that murderers and their ilk don’t deserve to live. But does the government deserve to have the right to kill them? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/35 "2014-04-30T09:39:43Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > And would make the USA seem even more barbaric than its current image. There’s nothing barbaric about executing someone who deserves to die. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/36 "2014-04-30T09:41:34Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > But does the government deserve to have the right to kill them? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Batistuta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@Batistuta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Batistuta)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/37 "2014-04-30T09:41:42Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > If this guy becomes a poster child for the anti death penalty campaign, then that campaign is fucked up. Isn’t that the essential problem behind the anti-death penalty campaign? People like Rosa Parks or the Freedom Riders were decent, peaceful guys who were treated unfairly by the system; ie great poster childs. With the _victims_ of death penalty, you’re never going to get such great poster childs. Nearly all people sentenced to death are either criminals or simply people with whom the general public cannot relate. They do not pass as innocent victims, regardless of how unfairly they are treated. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/38 "2014-04-30T09:42:41Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > Please provide the logic behind that statement. > > Do all murderers desrve to die, or only poor lack ones? You commit felony murder, you hang. I’m perfectly OK with that in pretty much all cases. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/39 "2014-04-30T09:43:05Z")
> [@Batistuta](#): > > Thankfully for everyone, justice is delivered by impartial courts and not by the victims of the original crime. Otherwise, imagine what the punishment for genocide would be like. those are two separate propositions: 1- what is best for society 2- the punishment this guy desrved ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339/40 "2014-04-30T09:59:41Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Yep, that’s why I’m against the death penalty. I’m not, however, in the slightest bit upset that a rapist and murderer died a horrible death. > > Allowing the death penalty is wrong because it gives too much power to the justice system, and doesn’t allow for the correction of inevitable mistakes. It’s not wrong because it causes suffering to evil people. > > If this guy becomes a poster child for the anti death penalty campaign, then that campaign is fucked up. He will become a poster child and deservedly so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-clayton-locketts-torture-be-the-rosa-parks-moment-of-the-campaign-against-judicial-killing/687339.md?page=3)