Do we, though? Clear-cut cases? Since DNA-testing became commonplace?
Only if “was refused” now means ‘did not require’
Except for the fact that he refused his last meal.
Your argument is weak enough as it is. You really don’t need to make stuff up.
Maybe not so many recently, but still, we’re looking at something like 4%. The fact is that innocent people are killed by the death penalty, yet what gets people riled up is that someone who is guilty gets killed in a slightly brutal way. I’m sorry, but isn’t the entire purpose of the death penalty deterrent? Shouldn’t we be killing them brutally?
But is it a deterrent at all? Are there any studies that show that, in prisons that have carried out executions, there have been drops in violence immediately before and/or after an execution has taken place there?
I think what got people riled up was that when people went by the rules and used the system to try to put a halt to executions until it could be determined what exactly was going on regarding the chemical compounds being used, the State decided that nothing, including the courts initially, was going to get in its way.
yeah…
How about Singapore?
Just where do you put them on your scale?
No. From the link:
Frankly, the justice system is no place for bloodlust and vengeance. It is a place for a dispassionate review of facts, and an even handed application of punishments for crimes. If execution is part of it, you fucking well do it right, you quickly and efficiently end the life of the convicted. If you want to torture people before their deaths, pass a law that torture is an appropriate punishment for crimes. We have no such law, therefore botching an execution and torturing the person for 45 minutes before his death is something to be avoided.
Do you have a cite for what you claimed? The cite given does not say that 4% of the executed are innocent.
To be sure of the claim, here is it again -
Unless by “God knows how many” = 0.
Again, the elements of the claim -
[ul][li]That they were executed, and[/li][li]they were proven innocent.[/ul][/li]
Regards,
Shodan
I’m against the death penalty, but you’re not helping by making false claims. Here’s what your cite claims:
The story here is not about innocent people being killed, but rather (allegedly) innocent people who once off death row fall into the cracks of the legal system because people stop caring about them.
The issue isn’t - or shouldn’t be - whether they were proved innocent, but whether it was shown that they are not proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt. If evidence turns up that shows an executed criminal might reasonably have been found not guilty, that for me is enough to say he should not have been executed.
Perhaps you should take that up with the person making the claim, then.
Despicable that he shot four innocent people in cold blood and killed, two of them, or that he didn’t finish his pie?
Despicable that he killed two innocent people, and despicable that the state executed a mentally ill individual. One thing does not justify the other
Therein lies the point. In our society, by definition and by law, it does indeed justify the other. If you wreak a certain level of violence upon our society, society reserves the right to put you to death.
He certainly wasn’t disabled when he killed two people and shot two others.
After the lobotomy, where was the need to choose execution over life in prison? Are you afraid he might have grown that part of his brain back and escaped? Are you willing to consider the possibility that the man that might have deserved the death penalty might not have existed anymore?
Could you explain what public good is achieved by killing a mentally ill criminal?
Despicable that a thinking intelligent man like Clinton should send to execution someone so mentally impaired that he did not know that he was about to be killed. That is severely mentally challenged to a level that SCOTUS said should not suffer execution.
That’s pretty much what I am asking for - instances where it can be shown that someone was executed when he shouldn’t have been. Budget Player Cadet claimed that there are a lot of those cases. I would like to see the evidence for those cases. Because, as mentioned, the study to which he linked does not mention anyone who was executed who was definitely shown to be innocent.
Regards,
Shodan
Uh, no.
*Warner was served a final meal Tuesday of 20 boneless chicken wings, potato wedges, cole slaw, two fruit cocktail cups and a 20-ounce soda.
Lockett’s request of steak, shrimp, a large baked potato and a Kentucky Bourbon pecan pie was denied because it exceeded the $15 limit.
He declined a separate offer from the warden for a dinner from Western Sizzlin’, prison officials said.*
He made a request. It was turned down for costing more than $15. He was offered somethiong totally different to his request, and declined the different thing.
pot, kettle.
He requested a last meal and was told it was too expensive. He refused what was offered instead.
Happy about the rest of the way he was treated by the state as they killed him?
So part of the horrible torture to which he was subjected is that he didn’t get exactly what he wanted for dinner?
Oh, the humanity.
Regards,
Shodan