# Will cultural Marxism affect Europe more than economic Marxism? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 4, 2011, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295 "2011-06-04T08:42:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/181 "2011-06-11T22:52:22Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Yeah, suuuuure they do. I’m supposed to believe your unsupported claim that the people we are exploiting cost us money? And again; lumping together legal and legal immigrants is guaranteed to distort the data (which is why you do it, I’m sure). Corporations or businesses that benefit from cheap labor aren’t that bothered by health, welfare, justice or education costs. ---
**Author:** ![RaleighRally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ed655f/32.png) [@RaleighRally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaleighRally)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/182 "2011-06-18T12:23:22Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > What, the multicultural Nazis have cameras in the voting booths and firing squads out the back ? :rolleyes: This is from a well respected Danish newspaper: [How democratic is Sweden?](http://translate.google.se/translate?hl=en&sl=da&u=http://politiken.dk/debat/kroniker/ECE907822/hvor-demokratisk-er-sverige/) > [@](#): > > The second fundamental problem with the election in Sweden’s tradition of party representative at the polling stations divide their party’s ballots out to voters who will receive them. Here one must be aware that the Swedish electoral districts are on average considerably less than the Danish. There are so many cases - especially outside the big cities, but not only - where voters and party representatives know each other personally, and therefore it can be difficult to avoid the social pressure that occurs when an acquaintance, you offered a ballot of. > \*\*Of course one can take several ballots and thus camouflage which party ultimately vote for, but just that to take several ballots signal the to party representative that you probably do not vote for her party - and it will then also could be socially harmful. > > It is probably mainly this part of the election, which many foreigners find it difficult to accept because they see it as both a violation of the principle of secret ballot and as a subtle way to exercise choice press until shortly before the vote itself, which makes it difficult to accept the election as very fair in relation to the electorate. > > But whatever principle behind the party representatives’ presence, and no matter what the voters perhaps should be doing, then it is a fact that some voters do not take all the ballots. Therefore, one can easily get an impression of who they certainly did not vote. **Therefore, voters taking ballots from new - and potentially controversial - parties automatically be under suspicion from their fellow citizens to have sympathies for one of these and it will in itself could act stigmatizing.** But even if the election was as democratic as in the US, I would still feel uncomfortable to vote for a party that is constantly stigmatized in newspapers, radio and tv. Instead I voted for the [Moderate Party](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moderate_Party), mainly because of the property tax which the Socialists/Greens would probably have reintroduced. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/183 "2011-07-24T03:50:06Z")
I’ve found my first reference to “Cultural Marxism” outside of this thread. > **[ItemFix - Social Video Factory](https://www.itemfix.com/?r=ll)** > > Social Video Factory It was sent by Nowegian murderer Anders Behring to all his Facebook friends. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/184 "2011-07-24T04:28:33Z")
Has ANYBODY given a shit about Karl Marx for the past 100 years? Groucho, yeah. Harpo? Sure. I’ll give you Chico, Zeppo, and even Gummo, but Karl? They dropped him from the act in 1912. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/185 "2011-07-24T05:57:07Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > I’ve found my first reference to “Cultural Marxism” outside of this thread. Err, you obviously haven’t been reading other trheads in the Great Debates section lately. There has been considerable discussion of what cultural marxism refers to in this [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14030747&postcount=295). Particularly, I found this essay quite useful at outlining the intellectual movements that it describes. > **[culturalmarxism.pdf](https://pages.gseis.ucla.edu/faculty/kellner/essays/culturalmarxism.pdf)** > > 178.19 KB ---
**Author:** ![SherwoodAnderson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@SherwoodAnderson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SherwoodAnderson)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/186 "2011-07-24T11:19:44Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > Err, you obviously haven’t been reading other trheads in the Great Debates section lately. There has been considerable discussion of what cultural marxism refers to in this [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14030747&postcount=295). > > Particularly, I found this essay quite useful at outlining the intellectual movements that it describes. > > [http://gseis.ucla.edu/faculty/kellner/essays/culturalmarxism.pdf](http://gseis.ucla.edu/faculty/kellner/essays/culturalmarxism.pdf) I think Breivik has been quite useful in illustrating how “Cultural Marxism” is a term lately acquired and popularized by the Counter-Jihad / Anti-Multiculturalism movements that Breivik belonged to, e.g. the latest iteration of the xenophobe right wing. Arguably contributing to him shooting and killing 80+ norwegian teenagers you might say… So what’s your opinion, Chen, on Breiviks thoughts on stuff? Did you browse his 1500+ page manifest on Cultural Marxism and other interesting stuff? ---
**Author:** ![hansel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6bbea6/32.png) [@hansel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hansel)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/187 "2011-07-24T12:44:23Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > I’ve found my first reference to “Cultural Marxism” outside of this thread. > > [ItemFix - Social Video Factory](http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=89a_1311444384) > > It was sent by Nowegian murderer Anders Behring to all his Facebook friends. Has RaleighRally been heard from since yesterday? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/188 "2011-07-24T14:14:26Z")
> [@SherwoodAnderson](#): > > 1. I suspect that most Swedes would consider that FoxNews piece extremely misleading (yeah big surprise, I know). From my (limited) knowledge there are some problems in Rosengard in Malmo - which is from what I understand indeed (in a swedish context) an extremely poor neighbourhood with lots of immigrants. But Malmo in general is a nice enough city. The videos linked here are basically a “best-of” of the worst things that ever went down in arguably the poorest & worst neighborhood in the whole of Sweden. I am disappointed that in [my visit](http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3420/3200245945_0955d36c2e_z.jpg) to Malmo I completely missed the festivities. Seemed like a pleasant small city. Too effing cold for my taste though, sorry. > [@RaleighRally](#): > > Political correctness was not invented in Sweden. It was indirectly imposed on Sweden and all other countries of the western world by their almighty leader, USA. Dear Og almighty! Did you know that right-wing American politicians paint Scandinavia as a Marxist hell-hole? My husband and I have a chuckle about the things they say about Scandinavia. > [@Chen019](#): > > @ \*\*RaleighRally \*\* > Denmark may be an exception compared to other [Scandanavian countries.](http://www.cphpost.dk/news/making-the-cut/200-making-the-cut/51506-strict-immigration-rules-pay-off.html) Yeah, how is that [working out](http://www.cphpost.dk/news/making-the-cut/200-making-the-cut/51280-immigrant-bashing-bad-for-business.html) for them? The well-skilled and educated are sometimes so offended by the rhetoric that they decide to leave too. > [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > And what does “the whitest country in Europe” mean? There was this other guy who also thought Scandinavians where some of the whitest people in Europe. You may have heard about him. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/189 "2011-07-24T14:19:58Z")
For the record, my husband is Danish. Our child is fluent in Danish (and two other languages). Our jobs “travel” with us, so we would not be taking jobs from Danes, but adding two new ones to their economy\*. We have savings and live reasonably well. I am educated, fluent in several languages, etc. Yet neither of us have any desire to live in Denmark while, as my husband puts it, “the fascists are doing the talking”. Basically he is self-exiled. \*I pay taxes in the US, a country that I haven’t set foot in since I was pregnant with my 6 yo. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/190 "2011-07-24T16:58:39Z")
> [@SherwoodAnderson](#): > > So what’s your opinion, Chen, on Breiviks thoughts on stuff? Did you browse his 1500+ page manifest on Cultural Marxism and other interesting stuff? I wouldn’t bother. Apparently, [he cribbed it from the Unabomber’s manifesto,](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik#Ideas) with some substitution of buzzwords. > [@](#): > > Breivik penned a 1,500-page manifesto titled 2083 – A European Declaration of Independence,[11] under the pseudonym “Andrew Berwick”, published in 2011. In the document he describes his background and discusses his political viewpoints.[33][34][35] “Berwick” details his preparation for the attacks including but not limited to; the preparation of ANFO, methods of acquisition of chemical precursors, and his mental state in the days leading up to the attacks. In the preface he says he devoted nine years of his life to writing the book, working full time during the last three.[3] The manifesto plagiarize substantial parts of the Unabomber manifesto with slightly altered passages. The alterations consists mainly of exchanging the words “leftists” for “cultural Marxists”, and “black people” for “muslims”.[36] > > Breivik wanted to see Europe more similar to nations such as Japan and South Korea, which he said are “not far from cultural conservatism and nationalism at its best”.[37] ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/191 "2011-07-24T17:07:31Z")
There are some interesting bits, though. > [@](#): > > We, the European Revolutionary Conservatives know very well that it will take many years, even decades before we successfully manage to consolidate to a degree where we can seize political and military power in the first Western European country. In the US, the Tea party movement is one of the first physical, political manifestations which indicate that there is a great storm coming. The creation of similar conservative organizations, even the creation of revolutionary conservative movements such as the Knights Templar is just another manifestation that real resistance to the EUSSR/US cultural Marxist/multiculturalist hegemony is about to materialize. The cultural Marxists are losing their momentum to our advantage." ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/192 "2011-07-24T17:32:01Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > There are some interesting bits, though. I think he’s reading too much into the Tea Party – I don’t recall immigration issues even being **mentioned** on any of their signs. Certainly it is not mentioned in the [“Contract from America,”](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#Contract_from_America) that’s all about starving the federal beast. The same beast that patrols the borders. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/193 "2011-07-24T18:08:41Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > There are some interesting bits, though. Revolutionary Conservatives ? Isn’t that a contradiction in terms ? Ah yes, I forgot: crazy person. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/194 "2011-07-24T18:14:42Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Revolutionary Conservatives ? Isn’t that a contradiction in terms ? No, it isn’t, because the definition of “revolutionary” is more definite than that of “conservative.” Looked at one way, Ayatollah Khomeini was a conservative; looked at another way, a radical; but, any way you look at it, a revolutionary. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/195 "2011-07-24T20:03:13Z")
> [@hansel](#): > > Has RaleighRally been heard from since yesterday? If you are asking if he’s spoken about the terrorist massacre in Norway, his reaction was to say that the killer looked Asian with dyed hair. > [@Kobal2](#): > > Revolutionary Conservatives ? Isn’t that a contradiction in terms ? Political “conservationism” has about as much to do with conserving anything as “People” in the title of Communist countries/parties has to do with actual people. Conservatives are people who want to reshape and exploit society, not conserve anything. ---
**Author:** ![hansel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6bbea6/32.png) [@hansel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hansel)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/196 "2011-07-24T20:31:50Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > If you are asking if he’s spoken about the terrorist massacre in Norway I was asking if he’d gone mysteriously silent across the board, coincident with the terrorist’s arrest. ---
**Author:** ![Westrogothia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@Westrogothia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Westrogothia)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/197 "2011-07-24T21:41:26Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > If you are asking if he’s spoken about the terrorist massacre in Norway, his reaction was to say that the killer looked Asian with dyed hair. Yeah I think RR is gonna lay quite low considering that the mass murderer basically did it as an anti-immigration and anti-“cultural marxism” statement. (as per his own manifesto) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/198 "2011-07-24T22:30:37Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Political “conservationism” . . . = environmentalism. Not the same thing as conservatism. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/199 "2011-07-24T22:39:06Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > = environmentalism. Not the same thing as conservatism. Oops, typo on my part there. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2011, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/200 "2011-07-25T01:26:09Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > If you are asking if he’s spoken about the terrorist massacre in Norway, his reaction was to say that the killer looked Asian with dyed hair. > > Political “conservationism” has about as much to do with conserving anything as “People” in the title of Communist countries/parties has to do with actual people. Conservatives are people who want to reshape and exploit society, not conserve anything. So are all conservatives cut from the same cloth and identical? :rolleyes: That’s like say all socialists from Willy Brandt to Pol Pot are the same. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295.md?page=11)