# Will cultural Marxism affect Europe more than economic Marxism? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 4, 2011, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295 "2011-06-04T08:42:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/41 "2011-06-05T15:54:48Z")
> [@code\_grey](#): > > Maybe lots of those “refugees” will get deported tomorrow or else leave by themselves, but the moonbats will still be “here”, all over the Western world. Making up terms like cultural marxism. ---
**Author:** ![SherwoodAnderson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@SherwoodAnderson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SherwoodAnderson)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/42 "2011-06-05T16:11:47Z")
> [@Saitou](#): > > Cultural Marxism is closely tied with communication studies and media studies in Europe (and America). Most of the the literature in the marxist tradition is used as a tool to critically dissect the media and its messages (I’d think most conservatives would enjoy that). Having watched almost half of RaleighRally’s conservative thinktank youtube blurb (painful), and after a cursory reading of the wikipedia page on “Cultural Marxism” (confusing) i get the feeling that “Cultural Marxism” is a right wing name for research in the tradition of the Frankfurt School. Do you agree? What I’m asking here is - since i never heard that term before - is this: do any serious scholars actually use that term? The problems are obvious: There has been numerous regimes throughout 20th century history that have subscribed to “marxism”, and those countries have all had (often diverging) policies on culture. But my guess would be that most of them didn’t give a sh-t about what Gramsci and Habermaas thought about anything. So anointing a small subset of several marxist theories on culture The Cultural Marxism would seem somewhat lacking in stringency. E.g. cultural policies in Maoist China could not be called “cultural marxism”, cultural policies in Stalinist Russia could not be called “cultural marxism”, cultural policies in Castros Cuba would not be “cultural marxism”, and so on… Only the stuff that poor (sorry) Film School students have to read for a couple of weeks can be accurately denoted Cultural Marxism. That doesn’t make sense. Calling it “The Frankfurt School” (of marxist social studies) makes perfect sense though. So: Are “Cultural Marxism” and “The Frankfurt School” synonyms in mainstream scholarship or is the former new terminology made up by the political right wing? ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/43 "2011-06-05T16:11:48Z")
> [@code\_grey](#): > > in short, the answer is yes. As many posters in this here thread clearly attest, cultural Marxism not just messes up the economy but it literally turns people into moonbat lunatics, hence causing a deep division in the nation between the normal people and the brainwashed moonbats. Which is a division of much greater long term significance than any Swede vs “refugee” division. Maybe lots of those “refugees” will get deported tomorrow or else leave by themselves, but the moonbats will still be “here”, all over the Western world. The funny things about moonbats is that they’re utterly convinced they are the normal people. I’d post examples of this to make a point, but you got ahead of me there. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/44 "2011-06-05T17:02:31Z")
> [@SherwoodAnderson](#): > > In other words, it should be painfully clear to anyone but the terminally confused that present day Swedish immigration policy sprung from western/liberal tradition and had nothing to do with marxism whatsoever. As it happens, a great many Americans **are** terminally confused about the difference between “Marxist” and “liberal”. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/45 "2011-06-05T17:52:24Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > As it happens, a great many Americans **are** terminally confused about the difference between “Marxist” and “liberal”. Marxists, Muslims, Mexicans, Marrying Gays, Massachusetts, Manhattan, Moonbats - they’re all part of the Letter M Conspiracy. ---
**Author:** ![Superfluous\_Parentheses](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Superfluous\_Parentheses](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superfluous_Parentheses)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/46 "2011-06-05T19:28:00Z")
> [@code\_grey](#): > > in short, the answer is yes. As many posters in this here thread clearly attest, cultural Marxism not just messes up the economy but it literally turns people into moonbat lunatics, hence causing a deep division in the nation between the normal people and the brainwashed moonbats. Which is a division of much greater long term significance than any Swede vs “refugee” division. Maybe lots of those “refugees” will get deported tomorrow or else leave by themselves, but the moonbats will still be “here”, all over the Western world. What the hell are you talking about? I guess it’s too far down this thread already to hope for any kind of, you know, _definition_ of “cultural marxism”. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/47 "2011-06-05T19:32:19Z")
> [@Capitaine\_Zombie](#): > > The funny things about moonbats is that they’re utterly convinced they are the normal people. I’d post examples of this to make a point, but you got ahead of me there. Please mind your language, **Capitaine:** LWs are moonbats; RWs are wingnuts. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/48 "2011-06-05T19:41:34Z")
> [@SherwoodAnderson](#): > > What I’m asking here is - since i never heard that term before - is this: do any serious scholars actually use that term? My wife the music history professor would probably agree that she uses Marxist techniques in her scholarship. That doesn’t mean that she promotes communism in the classroom. It means that she often analyzes the production of works of art from an economic and cultural perspective instead of an aesthetic one. Why was this piece of music written? What function did it serve in its original cultural context? Who paid for it and how did that influence the creative process? What does it tell us about the political and cultural structure of its time? These are the sorts of questions that Marxist criticism is useful for. ---
**Author:** ![Saitou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8c91f0/32.png) [@Saitou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saitou)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/49 "2011-06-05T20:16:07Z")
> [@SherwoodAnderson](#): > > So: Are “Cultural Marxism” and “The Frankfurt School” synonyms in mainstream scholarship or is the former new terminology made up by the political right wing? I personally have only seen the term cultural marxism only once or twice usually it is refered to using the german Frankfurter Schule or the english Frankfurt School. Though terms such as post-Marxist tradition or post-marxist approach are not unusual. Like Hamster King said most of it is used these days as an approach to analyze power structures and ideologies in cultural studies. Asking questions like who is being served, what does it do, does it work. This does not automatically imply a political position from the theory itself. Personally I’m slightly puzzeld why they would focus on the Frankfurt School whose legacy is mixed, and sometimes considered seriously outdated, even within the cultural field. ---
**Author:** ![SherwoodAnderson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@SherwoodAnderson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SherwoodAnderson)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/50 "2011-06-05T20:20:15Z")
> [@The\_Hamster\_King](#): > > My wife the music history professor would probably agree that she uses Marxist techniques in her scholarship. That doesn’t mean that she promotes communism in the classroom. I don’t doubt that, and IMHO it’s past due for social and culture studies & etc to salvage the worthwhile stuff that are presently considered part of a “Marxist” tradition and call it something else. Because, well, other parts of Marxism enabled some really nasty stuff. But my question was rather more narrow, specifically about the etymology of the term “Cultural Marxism”. Is it something that’s in use by scholars and has a clear meaning or was it something dreamed up in a think tank? Because - as noted - “Cultural Marxism” could refer to many things, most of which has never been practiced outside hardcore communist nations. ---
**Author:** ![SherwoodAnderson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@SherwoodAnderson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SherwoodAnderson)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/51 "2011-06-05T20:29:44Z")
> [@Saitou](#): > > I personally have only seen the term cultural marxism only once or twice usually it is refered to using the german Frankfurter Schule or the english Frankfurt School. > Though terms such as post-Marxist tradition or post-marxist approach are not unusual. Like Hamster King said most of it is used these days as an approach to analyze power structures and ideologies in cultural studies. Asking questions like who is being served, what does it do, does it work. This does not automatically imply a political position from the theory itself. > > Personally I’m slightly puzzeld why they would focus on the Frankfurt School whose legacy is mixed, and sometimes considered seriously outdated, even within the cultural field. Well I still think it’s somewhat unhelpful that that terminology is still in use (though I’m not suprised going by my own recollections from social/culture studies). Put another way: It’s unhelpful that any theory or approach to analyzing power structures in society and their manifestation in culture are still supposed to be understood within a larger “Marxian tradition”. It’s about as clever as it would be calling all modern psychological theories Freudian or Post-Freudian. Marx and Freud got about the same amount of stuff seriously wrong and Marx f-ckups arguably had much worse real world outcomes. ---
**Author:** ![RaleighRally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ed655f/32.png) [@RaleighRally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaleighRally)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/52 "2011-06-05T23:01:09Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > :dubious: What, American liberals conquered Sweden in the 60s and imposed their rules on it? Political correctness was not invented in Sweden. It was indirectly imposed on Sweden and all other countries of the western world by their almighty leader, USA. Political correctness is a very clever construct. If you oppose it, you will be stigmatized in the classic Marxist way, well known to political dissidents of former Soviet Union. I will give you an example: > [@SherwoodAnderson](#): > > What Sweden does have, though, is a small - but vocal - extreme right / racist movement that - while being pretty much marginalised and invisible in mainstream swedish society - are extremely active and visible on the internet. As you can see here, if you don’t agree with political correctness, you are labeled as a fascist/racist. And in old fashioned Marxist way, all newspapers tell you the same “truths”. Like this one: > [@SherwoodAnderson](#): > > In general, an ageing population is a more credible threat to the welfare state than immigration. In fact, increasing immigration is a plausible solution to the problem of an increasing dependency ratio. Just bull. Read this UK article and also bear in mind all the new technology by which the workforce can be reduced: [http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200708/ldselect/ldeconaf/82/8211.htm#a34](http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200708/ldselect/ldeconaf/82/8211.htm#a34) (By the way, how can something that cost 2% of the GDP actually be a benefit? [Stopp för inhuman invandringspolitik | SvD Ledare](http://www.svd.se/opinion/ledarsidan/stopp-for-inhuman-invandringspolitik_2484375.svd)) Before the start of the cultural marxist revolution in the 60s, was Sweden a fascist country? Let’s take a look at what Tage Erlander, Swedish PM between 1946-1969 said 1962 in a speech about the race riots in the US: “We Swedes are living in an infinitely happier situation. Our country’s population is homogeneous, not only in terms of race but also in many other respects.” [Tage Erlander - Wikiquote](http://sv.wikiquote.org/wiki/Tage_Erlander) If he had said the same thing a decade later, the cultural marxist press would have demanded his resignation. [In New York 1967](http://www.asylumlaw.org/docs/international/NewYork1967.PDF), it was decided that refugees could apply for asylum not only in neighboring countries, but in fact all over the world, making Sweden with its generous welfare system and faith in cultural marxist theorems such as “White Guilt”, a very soft target. Here I will give you some interesting facts to consider about the refugee situation: “With an estimated 55,500 asylum applications, the United States of America was the largest single recipient of new asylum claims among the group of countries included in this report. France was second with 47,800 asylum applications, followed by Germany (41,300), Sweden (31,800), and Canada (23,200).” [http://www.unhcr.org/4d8c5b109.html](http://www.unhcr.org/4d8c5b109.html) US population (according to wikipedia) 308,745,538 Sweden population 9,354,462 (31800/9,354,462)\* 308,745,538 = **1,049,564** USA should have more than a million asylum application each year if they want to be as good as Sweden. To this you must add family members, which would approximately triple the figure. It is estimated that Sweden will have a muslim majority by the year of 2050. “A deteriorating society is just what political correctness strife for”, says Lind in the video. Well, political correctness will certainly succeed in Sweden. ---
**Author:** ![Superfluous\_Parentheses](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Superfluous\_Parentheses](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superfluous_Parentheses)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/53 "2011-06-05T23:05:49Z")
> [@RaleighRally](#): > > Political correctness was not invented in Sweden. It was indirectly imposed on Sweden and all other countries of the western world by their almighty leader, USA. Political correctness is a very clever construct. If you oppose it, you will be stigmatized in the classic Marxist way[…] Yes yes yes. Now please provide a definition of “cultural marxism”. In text, on this board. Once you get around to it (as if), we might get around to discussing the merits of your question. ETA: I don’t really want to guess, but given your Marxism - USA connection, the most obvious inference (to me) would be that “cultural marxism” is some kind of Jewish conspiracy. I’m sort of hoping it’s not going down that route, but if that’s what you actually mean, I’d appreciate you calling a spade a spade. ---
**Author:** ![RaleighRally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ed655f/32.png) [@RaleighRally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaleighRally)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2011, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/54 "2011-06-05T23:44:36Z")
> [@Superfluous\_Parentheses](#): > > Yes yes yes. Now please provide a definition of “cultural marxism”. In text, on this board. Once you get around to it (as if), we might get around to discussing the merits of your question. I thought that was obvious by now. Cultural Marxism is the same as the Political Correctness we are experiencing all over the Western World since the 1960s. > [@](#): > > ETA: I don’t really want to guess, but given your Marxism - USA connection, the most obvious inference (to me) would be that “cultural marxism” is some kind of Jewish conspiracy. I’m sort of hoping it’s not going down that route, but if that’s what you actually mean, I’d appreciate you calling a spade a spade. Jews would certainly not want Sweden to become a muslim state, that’s for sure. I don’t think Lind is an antisemite either. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2011, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/55 "2011-06-06T00:06:24Z")
> [@RaleighRally](#): > > Political correctness was not invented in Sweden. It was indirectly imposed on Sweden and all other countries of the western world by their almighty leader, USA. Political correctness is a very clever construct. If you oppose it, you will be stigmatized in the classic Marxist way, well known to political dissidents of former Soviet Union. They tossed people into prison or killed them. What the USSR did was not “political correctness”. Nor for that matter has America been going around imposing “political correctness” on Sweden or anywhere else. > [@RaleighRally](#): > > As you can see here, if you don’t agree with political correctness, you are labeled as a fascist/racist. Or sometimes, people get labeled fascist & racist because they are fascist and racist. > [@RaleighRally](#): > > And in old fashioned Marxist way, all newspapers tell you the same “truths”. **SherwoodAnderson** is a newspaper, now? > [@RaleighRally](#): > > Before the start of the cultural marxist revolution in the 60s, was Sweden a fascist country? Let’s take a look at what Tage Erlander, Swedish PM between 1946-1969 said 1962 in a speech about the race riots in the US: > “We Swedes are living in an infinitely happier situation. Our country’s population is homogeneous, not only in terms of race but also in many other respects.” [Tage Erlander - Wikiquote](http://sv.wikiquote.org/wiki/Tage_Erlander) > > If he had said the same thing a decade later, the cultural marxist press would have demanded his resignation. Rightfully, since that is the statement of a bigot and an idiot. And opposing that attitude has nothing to do with Marxism. > [@RaleighRally](#): > > USA should have more than a million asylum application each year if they want to be as good as Sweden. To this you must add family members, which would approximately triple the figure. It is estimated that Sweden will have a muslim majority by the year of 2050. “A deteriorating society is just what political correctness strife for”, says Lind in the video. Well, political correctness will certainly succeed in Sweden. :rolleyes: “Political correctness” strives for a deteriorating society? That’s one of the sillier statements I’ve heard. What, do you think left wingers are Satan worshipers too? And there’s no reason to think that Sweden will have a Muslim majority by 2050, or that it would matter much if it did. You are just indulging in the fantasy of pretending that trends continue forever, and that Islam is somehow genetic. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2011, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/56 "2011-06-06T00:10:18Z")
> [@RaleighRally](#): > > I thought that was obvious by now. Cultural Marxism is the same as the Political Correctness we are experiencing all over the Western World since the 1960s. [No, it isn’t.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness) > [@](#): > > Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a term which denotes language, ideas, policies, and behavior seen as seeking to minimize social and institutional offense in occupational, gender, racial, cultural, sexual orientation, religious belief, disability, and age-related context, and doing so to an excessive extent. In current usage, the term is primarily pejorative,[1][2] while the term politically incorrect has been used as an implicitly positive self-description. Examples of the latter include the conservative The Politically Incorrect Guide published by the Regnery editorial house[3] and the television talk show Politically Incorrect. In these cases, the term politically incorrect connotes language, ideas, and behavior unconstrained by a perceived orthodoxy or by concerns about offending or expressing bias regarding various groups of people. ---
**Author:** ![RaleighRally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ed655f/32.png) [@RaleighRally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaleighRally)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2011, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/57 "2011-06-06T00:41:36Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > They tossed people into prison or killed them. What the USSR did was not “political correctness”. In Sweden we have leftwing “Stormtroopers”, who attack and even murder people who express doubts about political correctness. Our Prime Minister Reinfeldt (he actually has afroamerican ancestry) says [“They should not be surprised”](http://kvp.expressen.se/nyheter/1.2136747/reinfeldt-om-sd-attacken-de-ska-inte-bli-forvanade). I hope I can elaborate more on this tomorrow. It is very late in Sweden right now, and I have to go to bed. See ya! ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2011, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/58 "2011-06-06T00:50:45Z")
I doubt if anyone claims to be a “cultural Marxist.” The term was invented in order to discredit certain ways of thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2011, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/59 "2011-06-06T01:05:19Z")
> [@RaleighRally](#): > > In Sweden we have leftwing “Stormtroopers”, who attack and even murder people who express doubts about political correctness. Our Prime Minister Reinfeldt (he actually has afroamerican ancestry) says [“They should not be surprised”](http://kvp.expressen.se/nyheter/1.2136747/reinfeldt-om-sd-attacken-de-ska-inte-bli-forvanade). That’s a publication I don’t know in a language I don’t speak. Not very informative especially since for all I know it’s some far right propaganda piece; you did link earlier to Fox after all. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2011, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295/60 "2011-06-06T01:43:26Z")
> [@](#): > > Political correctness was not invented in Sweden. It was indirectly imposed on Sweden and all other countries of the western world by their almighty leader, USA. Political correctness is a very clever construct. If you oppose it, you will be stigmatized in the classic Marxist way, well known to political dissidents of former Soviet Union. I will give you an example: This claim is entirely false, but I’d like you to make an attempt at proving it. If not, I’ll have to dismiss the bulk of your argument as the ignorant raving of the hopelessly ill-informed. The US is now, and has been for decades well to the right of Sweden in the great majority of its policies. The idea that the US could or would force Western Europe to be more left wing is nuts. It’s the Europeans who consistently criticize the US for being so right wing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-cultural-marxism-affect-europe-more-than-economic-marxism/584295.md?page=4)