# Will Hillary Clinton be the next U.S. President? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 4, 2015, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557 "2015-10-04T23:04:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/281 "2015-10-24T01:33:54Z")
[QUOTE=Rep. Elijah E. Cummings, the Ranking Member of the House Select Committee on Benghazi] the CIA has now informed the Select Committee that you were wrong. I believe your accusations were irresponsible, and I believe you owe the Secretary an immediate apology. ``` It appears that your letter was rushed out to the press to counter the public firestorm caused by Republican Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy’s stark admission that Republicans are using millions of taxpayer dollars to damage Secretary Clinton’s bid for president. However, your letter only provided further evidence of this fact. ``` [/QUOTE] Did Trey Gowdy ever apologize to Ms. Clinton? ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/282 "2015-10-24T03:25:39Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Did Trey Gowdy ever apologize to Ms. Clinton? Seriously? Please tell me this is a rhetorical question. The only thing he did was sit there looking like a baby possum dressed up for prom. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/283 "2015-10-24T04:15:13Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > So the best you’ve got is a complaint about how the P.R. was handled in the first hours after the attack. It wasn’t just the first few hours. Jay Carney repeated the misinformation a day or two later, Susan Rice went on the Sunday talk shows five days later and spread the same misinformation, and Obama himself went before the U.N. two weeks later and connected the video to the attack. And, they knew it wasn’t true, the entire time. It was all spin. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/284 "2015-10-24T04:25:11Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > It wasn’t just the first few hours. Jay Carney repeated the misinformation a day or two later, Susan Rice went on the Sunday talk shows five days later and spread the same misinformation, and Obama himself went before the U.N. two weeks later and connected the video to the attack. > > And, they knew it wasn’t true, the entire time. It was all spin. Psst! Post 276. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/285 "2015-10-24T04:25:23Z")
> [@Donald\_Rump](#): > > This debunks the controversy around the Egyptian PM that has lit up the right wing media. > > [Benghazi Biopsy: A Comprehensive Guide to One of America's Worst Political Outrages - Newsweek](http://www.newsweek.com/benghazi-biopsy-comprehensive-guide-one-americas-worst-political-outrages-385853) Do you realize that your link is to a piece clearly labeled “Opinion”? One that doesn’t have any citations of facts, at all? That’s not a debunking. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/286 "2015-10-24T04:27:05Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Psst! Post 276. Psst! Post #285. There was no new information offered. Opinion is not fact. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/287 "2015-10-24T04:38:05Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Psst! Post #285. > > There was no new information offered. Opinion is not fact. Wow. > [@Clinton](#): > > CLINTON: Well, Congressman, there was a lot of conflicting information that we were trying to make sense of. The situation was very fluid. It was fast-moving. There was also a claim of responsibility by Ansar al-Sharia. And when I talked to the Egyptian prime minister, I said that this was a claim of responsibility by Ansar al-Sharia, by a group that was affiliated – or at least wanted to be affiliated – with Al Qaida. > > Sometime after that, the next – next day, early the next morning after that, on the 12th or 13th, they retracted their claim of responsibility. Read that carefully a few times. You’re wrong. Will you admit that now? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/288 "2015-10-24T04:44:24Z")
So the Secretary was confused/misinformed/wrong a day or two later? What then, of Obama’s claims, two weeks later, that the video and the attack were connected? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/289 "2015-10-24T04:53:32Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > And Obama’s claims, two weeks later, that the video and the attack were connected? I think you’re mistaking the timeline. The claim of responsibility made them think that it had nothing to do with the video. When the claim was retracted, they thought it was related to the video again. And this is the intelligence community, not Obama and Hill-dawg themselves. Timeline: Benghazi happens. Initially it is thought it’s related to the video. A group of Al-Quaeda affiliates claims responsibility. It is then thought it has nothing to do with the video. The Al-Quaeda affiliates retract their claim of responsibility. It is then thought it still may have something to do with the video. The investigation eventually shows it has nothing to do with the video. Does that make sense? Never mind that the idea that saying it’s about a video is hardly something that makes the administration look better. The whole RW media claim that the video was used as cover is the result of disordered, fuzzy thinking. At attack is an attack. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/290 "2015-10-24T04:53:45Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > So the Secretary was confused/misinformed/wrong a day or two later? > > What then, of Obama’s claims, two weeks later, that the video and the attack were connected? Those were Obama’s claims, not Clinton’s. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/291 "2015-10-24T04:55:28Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > So the Secretary was confused/misinformed/wrong a day or two later? She was wrong, because the intelligence community was wrong. This is normal in chaotic battle scenes. See the timeline above. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/292 "2015-10-24T05:00:36Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > She was wrong, because the intelligence community was wrong. This is normal in chaotic battle scenes. > > See the timeline above. It wasn’t a “chaotic battle scene” two weeks later, and the Administration (which obviously included Sec. Clinton), was still making claims about the video. Your explanation? ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/293 "2015-10-24T05:09:52Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > So the Secretary was confused/misinformed/wrong a day or two later? > > What then, of Obama’s claims, two weeks later, that the video and the attack were connected? I’m sure you’re far too intelligent to be referring to his UN speech, which did not blame Benghazi on the video. It mentioned that the video was responsible for protests around the Muslim world, and it definitely was — in Pakistan, Cairo, and Tunisia, to name three places that immediately come to mind. So, since you’re clearly too bright to cite the UN speech, what is your cite? ETA: here’s the UN speech, for anyone interested: > **[Transcript: President Obama Talks to the U.N. about Mideast Peace, Iran](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-president-obama-delivers-remarks-united-nations-invokes/story?id=17319652)** > > President argues for peaceful protests in the Mideast, sends message to Iran ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/294 "2015-10-24T05:11:35Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > It wasn’t a “chaotic battle scene” two weeks later, and the Administration (which obviously included Sec. Clinton), was still making claims about the video. Of course it was. Look at the pictures. The place was ransacked. > [@](#): > > Your explanation? The intelligence community thought it still had something to do with the video until the investigation showed it was not. Are you really having such trouble understanding this? You made a claim of nefarious doings by Clinton. I showed you the explanation. Now you don’t accept it, and you keep asking the same questions, which have already been answered. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/295 "2015-10-24T05:13:56Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > I think practically everybody on the Dem side of things is looking at yesterday and thinking, “could Bernie or Martin have handled this half as well?” I’d say her chances of winning the nomination are now converging on certainty. And I would say that anybody who is truly independent could not help but see how well she compares to the clowns running for the Republican nomination. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/296 "2015-10-24T05:16:59Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > It goes to show that Clinton always thinks of the politics and especially her career first and foremost. > > If 9/11 had happened on her watch, the first meeting would be about, “How do we spin this to our best advantage?” Once they’d decided that, then they could find out how best to aid rescue efforts. Because GW Bush didn’t? Gee, aside from the Iraq War, the naming of (more than the substance of) the Patriot Act, why did the GOP have their convention in a state they could’ve know they’d never come close to winning in 2004? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/297 "2015-10-24T05:18:27Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > I’m sure you’re far too intelligent to be referring to his UN speech, which did not blame Benghazi on the video. It mentioned that the video was responsible for protests around the Muslim world, and it definitely was — in Pakistan, Cairo, and Tunisia, to name three places that immediately come to mind. > > So, since you’re clearly too bright to cite the UN speech, what is your cite? > > ETA: here’s the UN speech, for anyone interested: > [Transcript: President Obama Talks to the U.N. about Mideast Peace, Iran - ABC News](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-president-obama-delivers-remarks-united-nations-invokes/story?id=17319652) > [@Obama](#): > > There’s no video that justifies an attack on an embassy. What video and what embassy was he referring to? ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/298 "2015-10-24T05:22:48Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > What video and what embassy was he referring to? The video is obviously _Innocence of Muslims_, and the embassy is very likely the one in Cairo, where protestors incited by the video attacked our embassy, scaled the walls, and tore down our flag. I know you’re well-informed enough to know that he COULD NOT POSSIBLY have been referring to Benghazi, because we had no embassy there. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/299 "2015-10-24T05:24:41Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > What video and what embassy was he referring to? > **[Reactions to Innocence of Muslims](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_Innocence_of_Muslims)** > > The release of the anti-Islamic short film Innocence of Muslims triggered numerous demonstrations across North Africa, the Middle East and South Asia. On September 11, 2012, dozens of protestors scaled the walls and entered the courtyard of the U.S. embassy in Cairo, Egypt. On September 13, 2012, protests occurred at the U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen, resulting in the deaths of four protesters and injuries to thirty-five protesters and guards. On September 14, the U.S. consulate in Ch The 2012 ... Yemen, maybe? How about we talk about how you’re wrong about your claim about Clinton? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/300 "2015-10-24T05:26:02Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > The video is obviously _Innocence of Muslims_, and the embassy is very likely the one in Cairo, where protestors incited by the video attacked our embassy, scaled the walls, and tore down our flag. And you have a cite for that, right? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557.md?page=16)