# Will Hillary Clinton be the next U.S. President? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 4, 2015, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557 "2015-10-04T23:04:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/361 "2015-11-02T04:17:11Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I wonder if you recognize how much your personal views of Obama might cloud your view of his politics and achievement. This is just throwing right-wing-fantasy darts at the dartboard. Well, I would hope that anyone who supports Clinton would agree with her characterization of Obama in 2008. Otherwise you’ve got quite the contradiction there. Because otherwise, she was either lying about Obama or she was completely wrong and thus her judgment should be called into question. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/362 "2015-11-02T04:39:19Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Well, I would hope that anyone who supports Clinton would agree with her characterization of Obama in 2008. Otherwise you’ve got quite the contradiction there. Because otherwise, she was either lying about Obama or she was completely wrong and thus her judgment should be called into question. Looking at the leaked powerpoint of Bush it is clear that you are ignoring that it is normal for politicians to do that. I will not be surprised that Bush will support Rubio if Rubio becomes the candidate, regardless of what Bush said about him during the primaries. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/363 "2015-11-02T04:45:57Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > [“There are none so blind as those who will not see.”](http://www.actualfreedom.com.au/richard/abditorium/nonesoblind.htm) > > -John Heywood, 1546 Not the same subject, but something I just realized that’s so blindingly obvious I’m kicking myself, though I’ve never seen it put in so many words. If Hillary Clinton goes from First Lady to President, she will become the most famous woman in American history. Period. With nobody in second place. (Who’s number one now? I couldn’t say, and the argument would be long and loud. But in November 2016 it would be moot.) All Presidents are in history books, but only a few are everyday names. Even recent Presidents are barely known to today’s kids. Whether Obama becomes more than a trivia answer in 50 years is questionable. The most famous women in American history is forever. What could any woman do to knock Hillary out of number one? How can any story top hers? She would be as unassailable as Lincoln, and her political foes would be remembered solely as Lincoln’s are: the wretched scum that made his life miserable for no good reason. I’m not saying that the hatred of Hillary is for that reason: it started when she was First Lady and few other than satirists considered the possibility of her being elected President. I do believe that the realization will creep up on people as the election gets closer and the spectre of the future becomes more palpable every day. Then it will mess with heads which are barely screwed on to begin with. “You ain’t heard nothin’ yet.” -Al Jolson, 1927 ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/364 "2015-11-02T05:04:17Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Looking at the leaked powerpoint of Bush it is clear that you are ignoring that it is normal for politicians to do that. I will not be surprised that Bush will support Rubio if Rubio becomes the candidate, regardless of what Bush said about him during the primaries. Clinton supporting Obama is just fine, and a person can support Clinton and Obama and be consistent. What one can’t do is believe that Clinton’s specific critiques of Obama(and Obama’s critiques of Clinton) were lies or otherwise completely wrong. Unless of course we’re accepting that politicians lie and Obama and Clinton are typical politicians. For example, I’m sure Jeb will endorse Rubio if it comes to that, but I doubt Jeb will endorse Rubio’s lack of showing up for his job. That’s a valid criticism(although an overblown one) and no one can or should dispute it. Neither should one dispute Rubio’s lack of executive experience or his half-baked economic plans. And I say that as someone who will almost certainly vote for Rubio if he gets the nomination. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/365 "2015-11-02T05:24:46Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Clinton supporting Obama is just fine, and a person can support Clinton and Obama and be consistent. What one can’t do is believe that Clinton’s specific critiques of Obama(and Obama’s critiques of Clinton) were lies or otherwise completely wrong. Unless of course we’re accepting that politicians lie and Obama and Clinton are typical politicians. As demonstrated many, many, times before the “lies” you are describing in the primaries are not at the same level of deal breakers, like being truly anti science and the kind of people that are their fellow travellers that Trump and Carson have, what you are missing is that we have evidence of what is going on between republicans, the more you press on this point the more you are also calling the Republican candidates “typical”. > [@adaher](#): > > For example, I’m sure Jeb will endorse Rubio if it comes to that, but I doubt Jeb will endorse Rubio’s lack of showing up for his job. That’s a valid criticism(although an overblown one) and no one can or should dispute it. Neither should one dispute Rubio’s lack of executive experience or his half-baked economic plans. And I say that as someone who will almost certainly vote for Rubio if he gets the nomination. Same overblowing is coming from your points on this item; and really, Rubio will have the problem that the anti immigrants who are fuelling the Republican side right now will not be able to stomach Rubio on the ticket. And I do remember that you did ignore and criticised Rubio before on the immigration discussions made before when I linked or pointed out to what Rubio actually did support. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/366 "2015-11-02T05:35:20Z")
> [@Futurist110](#): > > Will Hillary Clinton be the next U.S. President? > > Any thoughts on this? Well, people were stupid enough to vote in Obama. The fact that Hillary is incompetent and a proven liar many times over shouldn’t deter them from being stupid at the polls yet again. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/367 "2015-11-02T06:29:41Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Well, people were stupid enough to vote in Obama. The fact that Hillary is incompetent and a proven liar many times over shouldn’t deter them from being stupid at the polls yet again. From your lips, to God’s ear. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/368 "2015-11-02T10:05:22Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Well, people were stupid enough to vote in Obama. The fact that Hillary is incompetent and a proven liar many times over shouldn’t deter them from being stupid at the polls yet again. That you would call Hillary incompetent when the _hooting clownfart brigade_ is the alternative on your side, is a bit baffling. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/369 "2015-11-02T11:39:00Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Well, people were stupid enough to vote in **Obama**. You misspelled GWB. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/370 "2015-11-02T12:23:03Z")
THe public was only stupid enough to vote him in once.🙂 Although I’m inclined to give the public a break for 2004 given how awful Kerry has been as Secretary of State. Kerry’s probably the best ad for Hillary Clinton there is. She was ten times better in the office than Kerry. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/371 "2015-11-02T13:28:27Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > THe public was only stupid enough to vote him in once.🙂 Although I’m inclined to give the public a break for 2004 given how awful Kerry has been as Secretary of State. Kerry’s probably the best ad for Hillary Clinton there is. She was ten times better in the office than Kerry. Actually GWB lost both elections, in reality. I think Kerry has been terrific, negotiating the Iran deal and normalizing relations with Cuba. I give Kerry better marks than Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/372 "2015-11-02T13:59:18Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Not to mention the lying, the lack of accountability, the spin, the used car salesman act. I understand why the Clintons don’t like him. Everything they said about him in 2008 was 100% true. Yeah, yeah, whatever. Just meaningless insults. That’s all you’ve got. It’s all bullshit. “the lying, the lack of accountability, the spin, the used car salesman act.” By any reasonable measure, the most scandal-free Presidency in the past century, possibly in all of American history. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/373 "2015-11-02T14:04:11Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Well, people were stupid enough to vote in Obama. The fact that Hillary is incompetent and a proven liar many times over shouldn’t deter them from being stupid at the polls yet again. > [@Lobohan](#): > > That you would call Hillary incompetent when the _hooting clownfart brigade_ is the alternative on your side, is a bit baffling. This. Both at the first Dem debate and at the _Benghazi!_ hearing, we saw a woman who knew her stuff. While at the GOP debates and that same hearing, we saw largely fact-free arm-waving and bullshitting. There’s not one of those GOP candidates that I’d trust to run a lemonade stand, just based on what evidence we have of their competence. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/374 "2015-11-02T14:37:03Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > This. Both at the first Dem debate and at the _Benghazi!_ hearing, we saw a woman who knew her stuff. While at the GOP debates and that same hearing, we saw largely fact-free arm-waving and bullshitting. > > There’s not one of those GOP candidates that I’d trust to run a lemonade stand, just based on what evidence we have of their competence. A bit off topic, but why is this so? I mean, there are many prominent Republican politicians who don’t seem like idiots, but they’re not running. I guess Paul Ryan wants his four days per week family time, even though he voted against family leave, but what about guys like Cantor, or even Boehner? I wouldn’t vote for them on a bet, but at least it would be for policy disagreements, and not because they don’t know that Georgia is a country as well as a state. Oh wait, Kasich doesn’t seem like an idiot, and he’s consistently below the margin of error. Is that why nobody else with any brains is running? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/375 "2015-11-02T16:26:43Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Yeah, yeah, whatever. > > Just meaningless insults. That’s all you’ve got. It’s all bullshit. > > “the lying, the lack of accountability, the spin, the used car salesman act.” > > By any reasonable measure, the most scandal-free Presidency in the past century, possibly in all of American history. And remember that many of the “scandals” we’ve seen were cited by the gentleman in question as definitive proof of those traits. The IRS scandal was repeatedly mentioned as proof of Obama’s “lack of accountability” - that’ll be the same IRS scandal that Issa’s committee very, very quietly released its findings about over a holiday weekend without any substantial misbehavior identified at all. Or the AP scandal, which was going to bring down the presidency and which I doubt many even remember at this point. And of course Benghazi, about which enough has been said. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/376 "2015-11-02T17:44:34Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > A bit off topic, but why is this so? I mean, there are many prominent Republican politicians who don’t seem like idiots, but they’re not running. I guess Paul Ryan wants his four days per week family time, even though he voted against family leave, but what about guys like Cantor, or even Boehner? I wouldn’t vote for them on a bet, but at least it would be for policy disagreements, and not because they don’t know that Georgia is a country as well as a state. > > Oh wait, Kasich doesn’t seem like an idiot, and he’s consistently below the margin of error. Is that why nobody else with any brains is running? My best guess is that conservative propaganda has been fact-free for so long, the current generation of politicians is the generation that’s grown up believing all the stories that the right wing was peddling 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago but knew were bullshit stories to hook the marks into voting Republican in general elections, and for conservatives in primaries. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/377 "2015-11-02T19:04:07Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Not to mention the lying, the lack of accountability, the spin, the used car salesman act. I understand why the Clintons don’t like him. Everything they said about him in 2008 was 100% true. How sad that you can’t put that much fervor into relating the virtues of a Republican hopeful. Some are marginally less likely to induce projectile vomiting than the others–but that’s just not inspiring. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/378 "2015-11-03T02:04:57Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > That you would call Hillary incompetent when the _hooting clownfart brigade_ is the alternative on your side, is a bit baffling. Have you MET Clothy? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/379 "2015-11-03T03:59:59Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Well, people were stupid enough to vote in Obama. The fact that Hillary is incompetent and a proven liar many times over shouldn’t deter them from being stupid at the polls yet again. I for one am looking forward to being that stupid again. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/380 "2015-11-03T08:42:44Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Actually GWB lost both elections, in reality. I think Kerry has been terrific, negotiating the Iran deal and normalizing relations with Cuba. I give Kerry better marks than Hillary. If you go by popular vote, Bush only lost one. He beat Kerry by 3 million votes even if you can put Ohio in Kerry’s column. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557.md?page=20)