# Will Hillary Clinton be the next U.S. President? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 4, 2015, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557 "2015-10-04T23:04:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/461 "2015-11-13T23:37:04Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Even though I despise her I think she will get elected. > > Then you democrats will have fun trying to defend her like we republicans had to do with Bush. Hillary is a much better person than Bush. She isn’t lazy and inept. And she won’t let a serial failure like Cheney dictate her foreign policy. She’s not my ideal president, but she isn’t a clownfart like W. Bush who shouldn’t be trusted to run an Arby’s. Assuming she’ll be like the worst president in living memory is pretty bold. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/462 "2015-11-14T00:10:28Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Oh right. Hillary will be so perfect. > > And this is what I heard when Obama took over. When he started to mess up all the democrats ran away. I don’t see any Dems running away, and I would certainly vote for him a third time if he could run again. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/463 "2015-11-14T01:55:41Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Certainly a lot of them did. The number of Dems running away from Obamacare just last year was pretty appalling, really. … [Overall](https://www.google.com/maps/place/1315+Macom+Dr,+Naperville,+IL+60564/@41.6245709,-88.0892071,11z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x880ef77588efc505:0xdc631660b6de8374?hl=en) over the last year anyway Democratic “favorable” view of the Act has stayed over 60% with “unfavorable” staying 20% or less, and most recent polls have independents pretty evenly split. Not so sure about that running away bit … other than the fact that many Blue Dogs who went against it [still lost their seats](http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/08/22/house_democrats_obamacare_only_4_of_34_who_voted_against_it_remain.html). Back to the polling - among all adults it is split evenly right now. But sure that is not evenly distributed and in some districts the anti-rhetoric has been potent. A Democrat does not currently have much of a chance in some of these rural districts in particular that Blue Dogs previously were competitive in … one who supports Obamacare? No chance at all. But the odds of any Democratic Presidential candidate winning those districts is low in any case. Even if (s)he is competitive in the state overall. ---
**Author:** ![inscrutable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e4f/32.png) [@inscrutable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inscrutable)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/464 "2015-11-14T03:09:27Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I don’t see any Dems running away, and I would certainly vote for him a third time if he could run again. He was probably referring to all the Dem politicians. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/465 "2015-11-14T04:46:24Z")
Still don’t see it. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/466 "2015-11-14T05:37:49Z")
I’m guessing it’s a reference to [this](http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/overnights/245482-overnight-healthcare-46-house-dems-vote-to-repeal-obamacare-tax). > [@](#): > > 06/18/15 05:42 PM EDT > The number of Democrats willing to oppose parts of President Obama’s healthcare law is growing. > > Forty-six House Democrats joined with all House Republicans on Thursday in voting to repeal the law’s medical device tax. During the House’s last attempt to end the tax in 2012, 37 Democrats voted in favor. > > Many of those members represent states where the device industry has a heavy presence, including New York, Massachusetts, Minnesota, California and Pennsylvania. … Clearly [not](http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=114&session=1&vote=00253#position) this Senate motion to repeal added onto the Highway bill in the Senate which had _not one_ Democrat voting to advance the motion. (Interestingly enough it was one of the votes Sanders missed.) Nor could he be referring to [this](http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/257881-house-advances-reconciliation-bill-targeting-obamacare-planned-parenthood) House partial repeal attempt last month which had _not one_ Democrat voting for it. Yeah, there is a reason you don’t see it. It does not exist. A few whose local interests include the medical device industry voting to repeal the tax on that industry … and failing, and otherwise naught. If he got that much running away from everything he wanted he’d have gotten lots more done! (Honestly surprisingly so … before I checked I thought there’d be more pandering to local political expediencies in the House than there is.) ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/467 "2015-11-14T06:33:34Z")
The cadillac tax is also in danger. Clinton came out against it, so it’s probably a done deal if she gets elected. The problem with that is that it wasn’t just a tax, it was a way to hold health care costs down by taxing those gold plated union plans. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_0bvious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9dc877/32.png) [@Captain\_0bvious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_0bvious)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/468 "2015-11-14T10:51:38Z")
Does anyone closely familiar with Ms. Clinton’s stance on the issues know if her desire to [show respect for our enemies…and emphasize with their perspective and point of view](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zVHgqj8His) applies to ISIS? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/469 "2015-11-14T10:56:39Z")
I’m sure all ISIS needs is a hug. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/470 "2015-11-14T11:11:30Z")
I happen to agree with her. In this case the problem is a lot like what happened in Independence Day. If Clinton could actually mind meld with your average ISIS terrorist, the next words out of her mouth would be “kill 'em”. One thing I don’t worry about with Clinton is her willingness to kill these bastards. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/471 "2015-11-14T13:40:58Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The one thing both pollsters agree on is that Ben Carson is the most electable Republican. Carson’s RCP lead over Clinton is +5.2. Does this also strike others as … odd? I can’t think of any major candidate ever less qualified. Those that might come close (Bachmann, Palin, Cain) were never in top place to win the general election. Rumor has it that some Dopers vote for the GOP. What do they think of the Carson and Trump phenomena? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/472 "2015-11-14T13:51:10Z")
Trump should never be President. Carson shouldn’t be either, but has the advantage over Trump of being an admirable person and I think that’s what’s driving his electability. I’d also love to see if anyone can find pollster data on how Carson’s presence affects the black vote. Carson is a legend in the African-American community, something which cannot be said for Herman Cain or any other black Republican. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/473 "2015-11-14T13:57:37Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Carson is a legend in the African-American community, … It can’t be said for [Carson](http://www.gallup.com/poll/184547/clinton-favorability-strong-among-black-americans.aspx), either. > [@](#): > > Just one GOP candidate enjoys a positive net favorable rating among black adults: retired neurosurgeon Dr. Ben Carson. (_22% favorable, 18% unfavorable–my parentheses._) Carson is also the sole black candidate of either party at this point in the race. Still, less than half of black Americans (40%) are familiar with Carson. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/474 "2015-11-14T14:17:56Z")
Those are the 40% who slept through his speech when he came to their school. Ta-Nehisi Coates saw Carson speak not once, but several times at his own school: > [@](#): > > My Times column today looks at the phenomenon that is Dr. Benjamin Carson. For kids like me who came up in Baltimore during the '80s and '90s, Carson has special importance. Whenever the black folks at our summer camps or schools wanted to have a “Be A Credit To Your Race” moment they brought in Dr. Carson. I saw him speak so many times that I began to have that “This guy again?” feeling. As an adult, knowing how much it takes to speak in front of people, I can recognize that Carson’s willingness to talk to black youth (and youth in general) came from a deeply sincere place. There were no cameras at those summer camps and school assemblies. No one had money to pay him. But he showed up. And that was what mattered. > **[The Conservative Black Hope](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/04/the-conservative-black-hope/274667/)** > > For kids like me who came up in Baltimore during the '80s and '90s, Dr. Benjamin Carson has special importance. And it should be known that Coates is most definitely NOT a supporter of Carson for President. But he does point out how Carson is very different from past black Republican “hopes”, as he calls them. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/475 "2015-11-14T14:30:18Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Trump should never be President. Carson shouldn’t be either, but has the advantage over Trump of being an admirable person and I think that’s what’s driving his electability. Carson is a pathological liar and holds sociopathic political views. Exactly what is admirable about him, having an (R) after his name? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/476 "2015-11-14T14:35:29Z")
Oh, I don’t know, renowned brain surgeon, a guy who has actually taken the time to talk to poor students, to teach them that they too can achieve? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/477 "2015-11-14T16:50:24Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Oh, I don’t know, renowned brain surgeon, a guy who has actually taken the time to talk to poor students, to teach them that they too can achieve? That’s admirable, though I’m not sure it overcomes his lies, exaggerations, and advocacy for terrible things. Putting all that together I don’t believe he’s admirable. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/478 "2015-11-14T17:39:16Z")
Seriously, governing a diverse country within a rapidly changing world stage is not neurosurgery. I am sure he had very good hands at the time. Admirable like having the skill to memorize pi out more digits than most is, or perhaps more apt, being a piano prodigy, is. Not something that makes him admirable as a person. I can respect the skills of even the despicable … they are no less despicable for having them. Giving talks about what great things he’s done to a crowd who will admire him, putatively in service of inspiring them? Sure I’ll give him some props for that. Not as much as those who actually take the time to mentor or teach on a regular basis but props where props are due. Agreed not enough to offset the pathologic liar and sociopathic political views … or the anti-science worldview. Unlike **iiandyiiii** of that I am sure. And _this_ is the Clinton thread? Dang do these things drift! ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/479 "2015-11-14T17:51:34Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Oh, I don’t know, renowned brain surgeon, a guy who has actually taken the time to talk to poor students, to teach them that they too can achieve? He’s profoundly ignorant, and dangerously delusional. And his success is based on a one-in-a-million narrow intellect that allowed a delusional simpleton to pass O-Chem and get into medical school. The other 999,999 kids can’t follow the same path. To succeed generally, you should learn things, and understand what you’re talking about. Not just squint and say whatever shit _your gut instinct_ tells you about foreign policy, or who is fighting in Syria. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2015, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/480 "2015-11-15T01:10:04Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Oh, I don’t know, renowned brain surgeon … I keep hearing people bring up his being a great brain surgeon as if it were some sort of qualification for office. It means nothing. I myself knew one of Thailand’s top brain surgeons, no kidding. He truly was and probably still is tops in the field. Canadian-trained, he can hold his own in any Western operating theater. No, he did NOT operate on me, thank you very much. But I would have no qualms bout him doing so. However, the man was an utter moron when it came to anything else. “Socially inept” does not even begin to describe the man. Like **Lobohan’s** description of Carson, this man was “profoundly ignorant, and dangerously delusional.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557.md?page=25)