# Will Hillary Clinton be the next U.S. President? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 4, 2015, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557 "2015-10-04T23:04:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/61 "2015-10-07T12:32:51Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Polls are always skewed Back to that again, are we? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/62 "2015-10-07T12:34:23Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > a Republican who is fresh, interesting, and doesn’t say things that a majority of Americans would regard as nuts What name are you thinking of this month? > [@](#): > > Biden is going to run, and is probably going to win the nomination. Is that already in your Predictions list? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/63 "2015-10-07T13:32:38Z")
Biden entering the race is on my prediction list. Winning the nomination remains to be seen. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/64 "2015-10-07T13:58:39Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Yeah, except the State Department wants to know why there’s a gap in her emails. > > “Gaps” are a very, very bad looking thing. A gap? really? Is there truly where things have descended? ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/65 "2015-10-07T14:00:00Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I doubt there’s a crime as well, and even if there was, she wouldn’t be charged. She’s running for office, so the only jury that matters is the voters. > > Plus whether she broke laws is completely irrelevant. “I haven’t broken any laws” is not a case for your election. “I didn’t turn over all work related emails” is guilty enough for most voters. Most voters won’t care, and those how are inclined to care weren’t going to vote for Hillary anyway, so no effect. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/66 "2015-10-07T14:19:03Z")
Her disapproval is a majority of Americans now. Looks like people care enough to keep her out of office. I said before that her approval is at Donald Trump levels, except that Trump got pissed off about not being #1 anymore and so sunk further down. But don’t worry, Clinton’s on his tail! ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/67 "2015-10-07T14:21:56Z")
Quinnipiac just released some swing state polls: [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest\_polls/](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/) Clinton is tied in Florida, losing handily in Ohio and Pennsylania. Polls released yesterday by NBC show her getting the holy hell kicked out of her against Republicans in IA and NH. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/68 "2015-10-07T14:38:02Z")
Didn’t you just finish telling “polls are always skewed”? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/69 "2015-10-07T14:47:22Z")
By a few points, yes, but we never know which way. And Clinton’s deficits in the four states other than Florida are big enough that skewing wouldn’t save her. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/70 "2015-10-07T15:00:13Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Quinnipiac just released some swing state polls: > > [Latest Polls 2024 | RealClearPolling](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/) > > Clinton is tied in Florida, losing handily in Ohio and Pennsylania. Polls released yesterday by NBC show her getting the holy hell kicked out of her against Republicans in IA and NH. Seems to me that you’re counting on leopards changing their spots. Ohio and Pennsylvania will be carried by the Democrat no matter what the nominees are. RCP, in my opinion, is a Republican-leaning site and the polls they choose to carry are selected by the results they want to show. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/71 "2015-10-07T15:03:27Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > By a few points, yes, but we never know which way. How’s the Romney Administration been for ya? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/72 "2015-10-07T15:07:08Z")
Biden does much better than Hillary in those polls – is that mostly because Penns & Ohio are his home ground? (Rubio does about the same as Bush, slightly better in Ohio, slightly worse in Pennsylvania. 😕 ) ```auto Florida: Bush vs. Biden Bush 42, Biden 46 Biden +4 Florida: Bush vs. Clinton Bush 44, Clinton 43 Bush +1 Ohio: Bush vs. Biden Biden 46, Bush 37 Biden +9 Ohio: Bush vs. Clinton Bush 43, Clinton 41 Bush +2 Pennsylvania: Bush vs. Biden Biden 45, Bush 42 Biden +3 Pennsylvania: Bush vs. Clinton Clinton 40, Bush 46 Bush +6 ``` ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/73 "2015-10-07T15:09:46Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Seems to me that you’re counting on leopards changing their spots. Ohio and Pennsylvania will be carried by the Democrat no matter what the nominees are. RCP, in my opinion, is a Republican-leaning site and the polls they choose to carry are selected by the results they want to show. So voters who say they’ll support Biden or Sanders but not Clinton are just… what? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/74 "2015-10-07T15:20:00Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > So voters who say they’ll support Biden or Sanders but not Clinton are just… what? They’re like the kid who won’t take his castor oil and swears he’ll hold his breath till he turns blue. When push comes to shove, they will hold their nose and vote for Hillary just as all Republicans held theirs and voted for Romney. Maybe Biden would do better, making it a tidal wave election rather than a mere landslide. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/75 "2015-10-07T15:28:40Z")
This is a different election. The same forces that are propelling Bernie Sanders are making life very difficult for Clinton/Bush types. The difference is that we know our big name can’t win. Democrats are the ones who refuse to accept the inevitable. Although I’m pretty sure their survival instinct will cut in before Iowa. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/76 "2015-10-07T15:40:10Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > This is a different election. The same forces that are propelling Bernie Sanders are making life very difficult for Clinton/Bush types. The difference is that we know our big name can’t win. Democrats are the ones who refuse to accept the inevitable. Although I’m pretty sure their survival instinct will cut in before Iowa. I’m not sure your side knows that Bush can’t win. They may very well still nominate him. Money talks, bullshit walks and all that. Republican dissatisfaction with Bush comes without Democrats forming farcical investigative committees about him and without Hate Radio vilifying him for over 20 years. I personally would rather see Biden nominated, but realistically there is no way any Democrat would lose to whoever emerges from the GOP clown car. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/77 "2015-10-07T15:50:08Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Nah, Clinton will win if she’s up against an unelectable Republican. The Republican brand is shit, so all things being equal the Democrat will win. > > But put an old, tired, dishonest, skating-purely-on-her-name candidate against a Republican who is fresh, interesting, and doesn’t say things that a majority of Americans would regard as nuts, and she’ll lose huge and drag the Democrats’ Senate hopes with her. And this is why Hillary has no chance of losing. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/78 "2015-10-07T15:54:47Z")
The polls say otherwise. Trump is the only Republican who looks unelectable next to Clinton. Biden, though kicks everyone’s ass. If the polls continue to show that after he’s been in the race a couple of months, I’ll be very interested in Clinton supporters explaining how she’s more electable. But heck, they also think she’s more experienced, so what can you do? Reality isn’t their strong suit. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/79 "2015-10-07T16:02:10Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The polls say otherwise. Trump is the only Republican who looks unelectable next to Clinton. > > Biden, though kicks everyone’s ass. If the polls continue to show that after he’s been in the race a couple of months, I’ll be very interested in Clinton supporters explaining how she’s more electable. But heck, they also think she’s more experienced, so what can you do? Reality isn’t their strong suit. The suit is not made of straw as the one you always reach for. Again, as it was wilfully ignored, I will be ok with Biden as the candidate, the problem is that Biden is also behind Clinton in the same polls anyhow. ---
**Author:** ![inscrutable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e4f/32.png) [@inscrutable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inscrutable)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557/80 "2015-10-07T18:09:22Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Quinnipiac just released some swing state polls: > > [Latest Polls 2024 | RealClearPolling](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/) > > Clinton is tied in Florida, losing handily in Ohio and Pennsylania. Polls released yesterday by NBC show her getting the holy hell kicked out of her against Republicans in IA and NH. Was PA considered a swing state in '08 and '12? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-hillary-clinton-be-the-next-u-s-president/733557.md?page=5)