# Will Israel destroy Hamas **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [October 8, 2023, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-destroy-hamas/991277 "2023-10-08T15:22:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-destroy-hamas/991277/542 "2023-12-04T21:38:36Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > This thread has 456 posts in it. If you want to refute my number, it would be helpful to include your cite again because finding it in this thread is not an easy process. My post was recent (Dec 3) and you replied to it, which means you simply ignore other posters cites, [Data on casualties | United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs - occupied Palestinian territory](https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties). Hamas is in the business of lying about how many children ect are killed by IDF bombing. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-destroy-hamas/991277/543 "2023-12-04T22:04:48Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > which means you simply ignore other posters cites, …that page literally isn’t loading on my computer. I’ve just tried two different browsers. But on the homepage it says this: [![](https://uceb56b765c6c5ce33f1f7ae2036.previews.dropboxusercontent.com/p/thumb/ACHuYspVSfzGD1yT1Kwxpj0LQ7l9DWL-5FjocWNs4Q1N5Ijfio3du7zWlJfrmxmNEi3fMm7UZOoO0plUe-zzkR5DgTpIVCcN4JJ6B80bscY1kpQVbEpYeios9l-r24Fq_h4jhH-yoYX9ktQcDmSMqQjH30P9pSnTqepjUq9nFG0gHbY3ItrptFb91T96Qeg1g-qwWD54xMjUYrjXBC9mzkS0Qw7nnKVoqDGNvn7jkw4oG7jV0ow-4xV3hYtYx6irmb_kC7l-iBSm9e-A7c_2c-KGnG04E7ykT6nibsMoteketZWlMh6PDIPk-ntWuc_5DjWqNCkYm78EZa12IEE-q8uPE_j6QAW55266XZTab-nWbg/p.png) ](https://uceb56b765c6c5ce33f1f7ae2036.previews.dropboxusercontent.com/p/thumb/ACHuYspVSfzGD1yT1Kwxpj0LQ7l9DWL-5FjocWNs4Q1N5Ijfio3du7zWlJfrmxmNEi3fMm7UZOoO0plUe-zzkR5DgTpIVCcN4JJ6B80bscY1kpQVbEpYeios9l-r24Fq_h4jhH-yoYX9ktQcDmSMqQjH30P9pSnTqepjUq9nFG0gHbY3ItrptFb91T96Qeg1g-qwWD54xMjUYrjXBC9mzkS0Qw7nnKVoqDGNvn7jkw4oG7jV0ow-4xV3hYtYx6irmb_kC7l-iBSm9e-A7c_2c-KGnG04E7ykT6nibsMoteketZWlMh6PDIPk-ntWuc_5DjWqNCkYm78EZa12IEE-q8uPE_j6QAW55266XZTab-nWbg/p.png) As I said: everyone uses the same numbers. Even the people that you cited. And the page you linked to finally loaded. And the context you are missing: [![](https://uc1ee449b6bf4900118d97907a13.previews.dropboxusercontent.com/p/thumb/ACE3-GYKhkLa_3-eXcpiyk_UuwMC2HjDoNvGeNBCC-G761zXNa0kJOp8V-jtj4CngF8nBTc0bjE6AVivW2nlRHh2uId_UN1zMaSHI-Tov2SY869PvUExx2p4w5mrWxxIbowuNArgjmE2CgjidzMiqGqNDtRtknxwMakINx2GYLbEcfS2LFohmEhpnCoEETWHANqBok0EXoe25hmSF0G3QUaFAhqB3Sg5Hf5Qe24KKL2PpjW_159d_4CJe7xlIvclhymt8HLxbKr0kBJa-4nq6v7yUw2spXn7ww-htZ2RK9dNOXcN5zVVA43IugCUOW3Aky0sId2PBhDFRATC6xTnm2SGafTK67J76cIBBf-WoY7vLg/p.png) ](https://uc1ee449b6bf4900118d97907a13.previews.dropboxusercontent.com/p/thumb/ACE3-GYKhkLa_3-eXcpiyk_UuwMC2HjDoNvGeNBCC-G761zXNa0kJOp8V-jtj4CngF8nBTc0bjE6AVivW2nlRHh2uId_UN1zMaSHI-Tov2SY869PvUExx2p4w5mrWxxIbowuNArgjmE2CgjidzMiqGqNDtRtknxwMakINx2GYLbEcfS2LFohmEhpnCoEETWHANqBok0EXoe25hmSF0G3QUaFAhqB3Sg5Hf5Qe24KKL2PpjW_159d_4CJe7xlIvclhymt8HLxbKr0kBJa-4nq6v7yUw2spXn7ww-htZ2RK9dNOXcN5zVVA43IugCUOW3Aky0sId2PBhDFRATC6xTnm2SGafTK67J76cIBBf-WoY7vLg/p.png) The verification process is something that takes time. Maybe weeks. It could be _months_. But as the Intercept points out: in previous conflicts, the numbers from the MOH and the numbers after verification are always broadly the same. The MOH numbers are not propaganda. They are a broadly accurate snapshot, most probably an undercount, of the number of Palestinians that have died so far in the conflict. The numbers are being used by the very agency you cited, and I’m comfortable to use them here. But thanks for the update. 15,500 dead. 41,000 wounded. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-destroy-hamas/991277/544 "2023-12-04T22:09:12Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > The MOH numbers are not propaganda. They are a broadly accurate snapshot, most probably an undercount, of the number of Palestinians that have died so far in the conflict. News that comes from Hamas can not be accepted on face value. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-destroy-hamas/991277/545 "2023-12-04T22:10:56Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > News that comes from Hamas can not be accepted on face value. …if the US State Department can take it at face value, and if the very organization you cited can take it at face value, with all the appropriate caveats in place, I can take it at face value as well. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-destroy-hamas/991277/546 "2023-12-04T22:56:51Z")
**Moderating** : Drop the hijack about Hamas reporting. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-destroy-hamas/991277/547 "2023-12-04T22:56:54Z")
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**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-destroy-hamas/991277/548 "2023-12-04T23:14:32Z")
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**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-destroy-hamas/991277/549 "2023-12-05T14:03:49Z")
The question in this thread is “will Israel destroy Hamas?”. Related questions are “can they do so?” And “how many civilians will they kill trying to do so?” I’m guessing the answers are No No A whole lot ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-destroy-hamas/991277/550 "2023-12-05T14:24:34Z")
I think it’s like the USA preventing terrorist acts. Everyone does their best but no one can completely prevent them in reality. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-destroy-hamas/991277/551 "2023-12-06T10:59:32Z")
The US [perpetrates](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-49383803.amp) terror acts, it does not prevent them. Just as evil as Hamas and the IDF but you guys get better media cover. (Note: I refer to Hamas, not Palestinians, and tbe IDF, not Israelis) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-destroy-hamas/991277/552 "2023-12-06T11:13:30Z")
> [@scudsucker](#): > > (Note: I refer to Hamas, not Palestinians, and tbe IDF, not Israelis) And you refer to “The US”. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-destroy-hamas/991277/553 "2023-12-06T11:33:57Z")
Yes. I should have referred to the US government. My apologies. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-destroy-hamas/991277/554 "2023-12-06T14:05:02Z")
**Moderating** Linking to an article from 2019 about an IS attack does not equal US perpetrates terror acts. If you have the correct link, start a new thread with it. Also this is off topic for Israel/Hamas discussion anyway. So drop this off-topic mis-information immediately. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-destroy-hamas/991277/555 "2023-12-06T14:25:13Z")
I will do so. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-destroy-hamas/991277/556 "2023-12-06T14:59:54Z")
After Hamas is destroyed, we may find the upstart Samah party doing inexplicably well in the polls. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-destroy-hamas/991277/557 "2023-12-06T21:23:09Z")
KInda meaningless if the terrorists wont allow elections. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-destroy-hamas/991277/558 "2023-12-21T21:18:00Z")
Here is the kind of people that some liberals support- > **['We know they were raped in Hamas captivity': Chilling details of what...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2023/12/20/hamas-sexual-violence-rape-hostages-oct-7/71917113007/)** > > Doctors who have been treating released hostages confirmed some suffered violent sexual assaults while they were held captive in Gaza. _Shachar was referring to the mounting evidence of rape, sexual violence and mutilation of women and men during the Hamas attacks in southern Israel on Oct. 7._ _But sexual assault appears not to have been confined to Oct. 7. Two Israeli doctors, who have been treating released hostages, and an Israeli military official familiar with the matter confirmed to USA TODAY that some released hostages revealed they suffered violent sexual assaults in captivity._ _All three spoke on the condition of anonymity._ _One of the doctors assessed that “many” of the released Israeli female hostages aged 12 to 48 − there are about 30 of them − were sexually assaulted while held by Hamas in Gaza._ _The voices of so many of these women and girls were stolen by Hamas, but their bodies tell the tale,” Pildis said. “Broken pelvises. Mutilated genitals. Brutalized bodies. Then we have eyewitnesses coming forward with stories of gang rape, of torture, of murder."_ _Anti-Jewish bias makes it easier for some people to refuse to believe these accounts of sexual assault, Pildis said._ _“We are living in this believe-all-women era, and somehow that philosophy vanished very quickly when we’re talking about Israeli women,” she said. “It’s really hard not to see that as ingrained antisemitism, ingrained bias that leads people not to want to believe these voices.”_ ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-destroy-hamas/991277/559 "2023-12-21T21:26:58Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Here is the kind of people that some liberals support- Who are these liberals who are supporting rapists? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-destroy-hamas/991277/560 "2023-12-21T21:41:08Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > Who are these liberals who are supporting rapists? > **[Tens of thousands have joined pro-Palestinian protests across the United...](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/tens-of-thousands-have-joined-pro-palestinian-protests-across-the-united-states-experts-say-they-are-growing)** > > According to experts who spoke to the PBS NewsHour, this swell of protest is the result of a number of factors, including growing pro-Palestinian sentiment among younger people, the mounting civilian toll in Gaza from Israel’s military response, and... ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-destroy-hamas/991277/561 "2023-12-21T22:01:51Z")
What do pro Palestinian protests have to do with supporting Hamas? I’m pro Palestinian (and pro Israeli, for that matter). I’m not pro Hamas. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-destroy-hamas/991277.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-destroy-hamas/991277.md?page=29)