# Will Jeffrey Epstein's "friends" face justice?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-jeffrey-epsteins-friends-face-justice/917242
**Category:** Great Debates
**Created:** [August 4, 2020, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-jeffrey-epsteins-friends-face-justice/917242 "2020-08-04T11:49:12Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2025, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-jeffrey-epsteins-friends-face-justice/917242/122 "2025-02-26T13:52:07Z")
Ditto to what @RickJay said. MAGAbots are absolutely 100% dead certain that there is a list of Epstein clients which will consist exclusively of big Democratic names and zero from God’s Only Party. When those names are released, the Democratic Party will cease to exist. Yessireebob, that scandal ranks right up there with Hunter’s laptop, Hillary’s emails, and shutting down the Holy Pipeline which would have given us gas under 50 cents a gallon.
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### Author:  [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)
#### Post date: [February 27, 2025, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-jeffrey-epsteins-friends-face-justice/917242/123 "2025-02-27T23:14:45Z")
Indeed, it seems there is still some editing going on, even with a “release” of the files today:
> **[AG Pam Bondi Releases 'The Epstein Files'](https://www.yahoo.com/news/ag-pam-bondi-releases-epstein-205154387.html)**
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> A group of conservative influencers left the White House Thursday, all holding white binders emblazoned with the DOJ seal.
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### Author:  [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)
#### Post date: [February 27, 2025, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-jeffrey-epsteins-friends-face-justice/917242/124 "2025-02-27T23:16:30Z")
So they gave a edited Part 1 to… social media influencers.
So, it’s total bullshit.
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### Author:  [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)
#### Post date: [February 27, 2025, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-jeffrey-epsteins-friends-face-justice/917242/125 "2025-02-27T23:17:58Z")
And they were marked “Declassified.”
They were never classified. “Classified” isn’t the same as something being held back from the public or under a gag order.
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### Author:  [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2025, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-jeffrey-epsteins-friends-face-justice/917242/126 "2025-07-08T01:20:54Z")
The FBI has released a memo saying that:
1. They’re confident that Epstein committed suicide.
2. There’s no evidence of a client list nor of blackmail.
[https://www.axios.com/2025/07/07/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-client-list-trump-administration](https://www.axios.com/2025/07/07/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-client-list-trump-administration)
For the first, that matches what the Biden administration said so I wasn’t particularly doubtful.
For the second, reading the actual memo, it’s a bit more specific than saying, “It didn’t happen.” What they actually say is that, among the previously collected documents and photos, there’s no client list or evidence of blackmail. It does not say that there was a fresh and dedicated investigation on such a question and that the investigation came up bust.
To be sure, the FBI has presumably captured a great amount of Epstein’s possessions and, if he was engaged in such activities it seems like there should be some things that look worth following up on.
But if, for example, I see a list of well-to-do men in an Excel spreadsheet called “contact\_2015.xlsx”, that could technically be almost anything; up to the point that I go out to find people that worked for Epstein and ask them about it. If they were only asked about the presence of young girls, there wouldn’t be anything in a transcript to raise suspicion about the spreadsheet.
A simple review of the holdings might raise a few items that merit follow-up. But, minus said follow-up, it’s unlikely that you’re going to get anything but what was previously found. A review isn’t an investigation.
I also note that the memo is by no one and to no one, with no source nor signatory. Either the letter was expressly written for the press and is, in essence, an advertising piece or the maker wasn’t willing to put his signature on the thing. Neither gives much encouragement.
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### Author:  [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2025, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-jeffrey-epsteins-friends-face-justice/917242/127 "2025-07-08T12:13:25Z")
I place very little trust in anything coming out of any part of the US executive branch these days. And most especially anything from DOJ.
IMO the memo said whatever the writer thinks will most please the criminal tyrant, or whatever the writer was told to write by minions of the criminal tyrant.
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### Author:  [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2025, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-jeffrey-epsteins-friends-face-justice/917242/128 "2025-07-08T12:16:27Z")
That he committed suicide isn’t the whole story. How was his suicide allowed? Who failed to prevent it, and why?
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### Author:  [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2025, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-jeffrey-epsteins-friends-face-justice/917242/129 "2025-07-08T12:30:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> How was his suicide allowed? Who failed to prevent it, and why?
And was it an “assisted” suicide?
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### Author:  [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2025, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-jeffrey-epsteins-friends-face-justice/917242/130 "2025-07-08T14:03:35Z")
Unless I see evidence on the contrary, I tend to assume incompetence over malice. The prison screwed up. End of story - for now.
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### Author:  [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2025, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-jeffrey-epsteins-friends-face-justice/917242/131 "2025-07-08T14:42:42Z")
Totally agree.
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### Author:  [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2025, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-jeffrey-epsteins-friends-face-justice/917242/132 "2025-07-08T14:50:47Z")
Very possible.
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### Author:  [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2025, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-jeffrey-epsteins-friends-face-justice/917242/133 "2025-07-08T15:07:00Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#):
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> The FBI has released a memo saying that:
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> 1. They’re confident that Epstein committed suicide.
> 2. There’s no evidence of a client list nor of blackmail.
This does raise an interesting question as to what it was Ghislane Maxwell was convicted of, given that she is currently serving time for sex trafficking. It is theoretically possible one could be convicted of sex trafficking without any evidence of clients to whom the victims were trafficked, but it sure seems unlikely.
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### Author:  [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2025, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-jeffrey-epsteins-friends-face-justice/917242/134 "2025-07-08T15:23:34Z")
Not to harsh your buzz but the easy answer would be: Jeffrey Epstein
Not to say that there couldn’t have been others (e.g. Prince Andrew), just that there doesn’t need to have been more than one for a prosecution. Once you do have one, there’s no particular reason - minus evidence, otherwise (e.g. Andrew) - to hypothesize the existence of others.
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### Author:  [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2025, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-jeffrey-epsteins-friends-face-justice/917242/135 "2025-07-08T17:20:49Z")
What list?
What friends?
What Epstein?
Nothing to see here, go about your business…
🤬
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### Author:  [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2025, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-jeffrey-epsteins-friends-face-justice/917242/136 "2025-07-08T17:33:25Z")
Signed, Epstein’s Mother.
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### Author:  [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2025, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-jeffrey-epsteins-friends-face-justice/917242/137 "2025-07-10T14:57:10Z")
> [@Alessan](#):
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> I tend to assume incompetence over malice. The prison screwed up
And I would not rule out a general culture of not trying too hard to “protect” some people.
> [@Sage\_Rat](#):
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> Not to harsh your buzz but the easy answer would be: Jeffrey Epstein
Yeah, agreed, procuring for Epstein himself would fit the bill.
Y’all realize that this means we’ll be getting abundant cheap fiction about it like, forever, and more than one would-be future President or Committee Chairman will run on a promise to “dig up the hidden records and find out THE TRUTH!!! about Epstein”.
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### Author:  [@Noelq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noelq)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2025, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-jeffrey-epsteins-friends-face-justice/917242/138 "2025-07-10T17:23:27Z")
> [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](#):
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> Signed, Epstein’s Mother.
I understand your reference, and validate it. LOL!
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### Author:  [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)
#### Post date: [July 11, 2025, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-jeffrey-epsteins-friends-face-justice/917242/139 "2025-07-11T18:08:58Z")
As I posted elsewhere, but even better here - Dershowitz says he knows but can’t tell:
> [@NEW Stupid Republican Idea of the Day (Part 4)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-4/1014678/1196):
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> Oh of course, you know all but ethics keeps you from naming names… [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5395597-dershowitz-says-he-knows-epstein-client-list-names-but-im-bound-by-confidentiality/](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5395597-dershowitz-says-he-knows-epstein-client-list-names-but-im-bound-by-confidentiality/)
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### Author:  [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)
#### Post date: [July 11, 2025, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-jeffrey-epsteins-friends-face-justice/917242/140 "2025-07-11T18:14:56Z")
I saw that article this morning but, looking at it again, I note that the “list” - according to Dershowitz - is actually not one maintained by Epstein, but by the DOJ.
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### Author:  [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2025, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-jeffrey-epsteins-friends-face-justice/917242/141 "2025-07-13T21:58:37Z")
Of all people, it seems like Trump supporters are pushing for the friends to face justice, or at least be publicly shamed. From WaPo today:
[Epstein outcry prompts warning to Trump from MAGA leaders: ‘A huge risk’: At Turning Point’s gathering of young Trump supporters, movement leaders warned the White House to pay attention to anger about the Jeffrey Epstein investigation](https://wapo.st/3GHKZkM)
And from the NY Times today:
[David French: Opinion: MAGA Is Tearing Itself Apart Over Jeffrey Epstein](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/13/opinion/epstein-files-trump-maga.html?unlocked_article_code=1.WE8.Nfpy.3dpx-db46CK-&smid=url-share)
As I suppose everyone here knows, this makes no sense because DJT was friends with Epstein, and called him a ["terrific guy.who “likes beautiful women as much as I do.”](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-epstein-terrific-guy/)
Then last week Trump called Epstein [a creep.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-jeffrey-epstein-question-this-creep/) I wonder if that was a political mistake.
MAGA people have to know that, whatever the situation is now that Donald is elderly, Trump’s history is sexually adventurous and, at best, borderline when it comes to obeying laws in this area (or any area). If Trump leaned into this, I think MAGA would rally around him. If I was in his inner circle, I’d tell him to pardon Ghislaine Maxwell. .
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